Is Momentum the Key Factor in Impact for Elastic Collisions?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter KaneOris
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of momentum and its role in impact during elastic collisions, particularly focusing on a hypothetical scenario involving a bird colliding with an airplane. Participants explore the relationship between impulse, momentum, and acceleration in the context of collisions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether impact can occur if there is no acceleration, using the example of a bird and an airplane with constant velocities.
  • Another participant asserts that both objects experience acceleration during the collision, suggesting that the bird would undergo more acceleration than the airplane.
  • A participant reflects on their misunderstanding of the momentum formula, correcting themselves from using mass times acceleration to the correct formula of momentum as mass times velocity.
  • Another participant discusses the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy in elastic collisions, pointing out potential errors in signs in the equations presented and emphasizing that kinetic energy is conserved only in elastic collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of acceleration in collisions, and there is no consensus on the correctness of the mathematical formulations related to momentum and energy conservation in elastic collisions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the collision (elastic vs. inelastic) and the correct application of the momentum and kinetic energy equations.

KaneOris
Messages
113
Reaction score
0
Hey guys, I am a new member here and i don't know that much about physics so if this seems really obvious to you sorry, I am only 15!

Ohk here's my problem.
I was looking at some stuff on impact
Now impact is reliant on impulse yes?
Now if I(impluse) = F average * change in time
And impulse is = momentum
momentum is Mass * Acceleration, or delta v / delta t
So if a bird is traveling at a velocity of 10m/s with a mass of 10kg but has no acceleration and it collides with an aeroplane which is traveling at 80m/s with a mass of 12 tons with no acceleration does that mean there is no impact as there is no acceleration?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
When they collide each object undergoes acceleration - the bird more so than the airplane! :-)
 
Oh i see, it all makes sense now thnx
 
oh I am an idiot i see now, p = mv, not ma, ma is f... oh well i feel dumb now, should probably get my formulae right first
 
incorrect signs

Archimedes said:
from conservation of momentum and kinetic energy for elastic impacts we have:
[tex]m_1(V'_1-V_1)=m_2(V'_2-V_2)[/tex]
Not exactly. The net change in momentum is zero, so:
[tex]m_1(V'_1-V_1)= -m_2(V'_2-V_2)[/tex]
[tex]m_1(V'_1+V_1)(V'_1-V_1)=m_2(V'_2+V_2)(V'_2-V_2)[/tex]
Again, your signs are incorrect. If the collision is elastic (certainly not the case for the bird hitting the plane!) then KE is conserved, so:
[tex]m_1V'_1^2 + m_2V'_2^2 = m_1V_1^2 + m_2V_2^2[/tex]
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 60 ·
3
Replies
60
Views
8K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
7K
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
6K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
5K