Locating a Sinking Ship & Rescue Plane

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The problem involves locating a sinking ship and a rescue plane using radar data, requiring the formulation of position vectors in a three-dimensional coordinate system. The subject area includes vector mathematics and spatial reasoning in three dimensions.

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  • Participants discuss the need for a 3D representation of the problem and suggest visualizing the radar station as the origin of a coordinate system. There are attempts to clarify how to convert polar coordinates to Cartesian coordinates for both the ship and the plane.

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Participants are exploring different ways to visualize the problem and are providing guidance on how to set up the coordinate system. Some have suggested focusing on the relative position vectors and the concept of vector addition, while others are questioning how to effectively represent the positions of the ship and plane in three dimensions.

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There is uncertainty regarding the visualization of the problem, particularly in drawing the 3D representation of the plane and ship. Participants are also considering the implications of treating both vehicles as points in space.

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A radar station locates a sinking ship at range 17.3 km and bearing 136 degrees clockwise from north. From the same station a rescue plane is at horizontal range 19.6 km, 153 degrees clockwise from north, with elevation 2.2 km.
(a) write the position vector for the ship relative to the plane (where i is east, j north and k up)
(b) how far apart are the plane and ship?


okay, first of all, i don't think i even understand the problem. I'm not sure how to draw a picture for the plane. I'm sure it'll have to be in a 3D plane, but i can't picture it. thanks.
 
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3.14159265358979 said:
i'm sure it'll have to be in a 3D plane, but i can't picture it. thanks.

In this kind of questions, always assume the plane to be a 1D point. Picture the boat as a 1D point as well - 1D as in a dot: .
 
You can start with a coordinate system with the radar station at the origin: the positive x-axis is east, the positive y-axis is north, and the positive z axis is up. (Thus from the radar station the vectors i, j, and k move 1 unit along, respectively, the x, y, and z axes.)

If you imagine a circle with radius 17.3 km centered on the radar station (i.e. the origin), you can locate the ship at the appropriate spot on the circle. Once you convert the angle to a more standard form, you have polar coordinates for the ship in the xy-plane – these can be converted to Cartesian coordinates. x and y coordinates can be found similarly for the plane. z coordinates for both vehicles come directly from the data you specified.

So now you have xyz-coordinates for each vehicle which are easy to rewrite as position vectors relative to the radar station. From these two vectors, it is then straightforward to find the relative position vector from one vehicle to the other.
 
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This is a simple problem in vector addition. Draw the two vectors from the radar antenna to the plane and the ship. Now use what you have learned of Vector addition to find the vector from the plane to the ship. Think about the the triangle formed when you consider the height of the plane and the vector from the plane to the ship.
 

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