Interpreting Imaginary Component Amplitudes in Fourier Series

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of non-zero imaginary components in the amplitudes of Fourier series representations of waves. Participants explore the implications of these imaginary components in the context of real physical signals and their mathematical significance.

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  • One participant questions the physical interpretation of a non-zero imaginary part in component amplitudes, suggesting that a real wave's height cannot be imaginary.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about whether the appearance of an imaginary component indicates a mathematical issue or if it can occur in real signals.
  • A later reply indicates that the imaginary factor does not have a direct physical meaning, but that separating the real and imaginary parts can yield useful physical information.
  • It is noted that complex factors in wave equations may arise from the differential equations governing the physical system or from processes like harmonization in plasma physics.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of imaginary components in Fourier series, with some questioning their validity in representing real waves, while others suggest they can provide useful insights when analyzed correctly. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature and implications of these imaginary components.

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Participants highlight potential limitations in understanding the role of imaginary components, including the need for clarity on definitions and the mathematical context in which these components arise.

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If you express a wave as a Fourier series like:

[tex]z(x,t)= \sum _{n=1} ^{ inf.} A_n cos(nk_0 x - \omega (n) t )[/tex]

Then what is the physical interpretation of a non-zero imaginary part of a component amplitude?
 
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da_willem said:
If you express a wave as a Fourier series like:

[tex]z(x,t)= \sum _{n=1} ^{ inf.} A_n cos(nk_0 x - \omega (n) t )[/tex]

Then what is the physical interpretation of a non-zero imaginary part of a component amplitude?


Hi Willem

Somebody wants to prevent me from helping you out here so i have written this answer for you


regards
marlon
 
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I read your word document, and would like to thank you very much for that. But maybe I should have specified my question some more, it is still not very clear to me...

If you want to describe a real wave in a formula you give it's height as a function of position and time. A height cannot be imaginary. So when an imaginary component amplitude appears in you Fourier representation of that wave there must be somethig wrong. This component cannot be canceled by another component can it? Is the appearance of an imaginary component in the sum a mathematical curiosity, or does it simply never appear for a real signal, or...?
 
da_willem said:
I read your word document, and would like to thank you very much for that. But maybe I should have specified my question some more, it is still not very clear to me...

If you want to describe a real wave in a formula you give it's height as a function of position and time. A height cannot be imaginary. So when an imaginary component amplitude appears in you Fourier representation of that wave there must be somethig wrong. This component cannot be canceled by another component can it? Is the appearance of an imaginary component in the sum a mathematical curiosity, or does it simply never appear for a real signal, or...?


The imaginary factor does not have a real and direct physical meaning. When you take the real and imaginary parts (Re and Im) of this complex term you get physical useful info, just as explained in my word-doc.

As an example : these complex factors in the wave-equation often arise from the differential-equations that describe the physical system or from a process called harmonization that is used in order to set up the MHD-equations that describe the classical plasma-physics


regards
marlin
 

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