Energy proportional to Amplitude squared?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between the energy of a wave and its amplitude, specifically exploring why energy is proportional to the amplitude squared. The scope includes theoretical derivations and considerations for both mechanical and electromagnetic (EM) waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a simple derivation for the energy of a wave being proportional to the amplitude squared.
  • Another participant explains that for simple harmonic oscillators (SHO), the energy relates to potential energy at maximum displacement, derived using calculus and Hooke's Law.
  • Several participants question the applicability of this derivation to electromagnetic waves, with one asking what constant could replace the spring constant in this context.
  • A participant notes that the energy density of electric and magnetic fields is proportional to the square of the field strengths, referencing derivations involving capacitors and inductors.
  • Links to external resources are shared for further reading on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of the mechanical wave derivation to electromagnetic waves, indicating a lack of consensus on how to approach the energy relationship in that context.

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The discussion does not resolve the differences in approaches to deriving energy relationships for mechanical versus electromagnetic waves, and assumptions about the constants involved remain unclarified.

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Does anyone know a simple derivation that explains why the energy of a wave is proportional to the amplitude squared?
 
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Does "simple" allow for calculus?

A wave is a collection of simple harmonic oscillators. The energy of a SHO equals the potential energy at maximum displacement. The PE at maximum displacement is the work done by an external force in pushing the oscillator out from the equilibrium position to maximum displacement. The external force acts against the oscillator's internal force which obeys Hooke's Law F = -kx.

\int_0^A {F(x)dx} = \int_0^A {kx dx} = \frac{1}{2} kA^2
 
Why doesn't this work for EM waves ?
 
vin300 said:
Why doesn't this work for EM waves ?

Why should it? What constant would you introduce in place of k, bearing in mind that it must have the same unit, and there isn't a spring constant for an EM wave.
 
jtbell said:
\int_0^A {F(x)dx} = \int_0^A {kx dx} = \frac{1}{2} kA^2

Thanks for the quick reply. I was actually thinking of an EM wave, though. Do you know a derivation for that as well?
 
In general, not just in EM waves, the energy density of an electric field E is proportional to E^2, and the energy density of a magnetic field B is proportional to B^2. Introductory textbooks usually derive these by considering the external work it takes to charge up a parallel-plate capacitor so that it has a field E between the plates:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng.html

or to increase the current flowing through a long solenoid (inductor) so it has a field B inside:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indeng.html
 
cool, thanks
 

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