Help Solve Mystery: "Twons" & Photon Deceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of "twons" or "tuons" in relation to photon deceleration and the production of electron-positron pairs. Participants explore the theoretical implications of these ideas, examining both particle physics and quantum field theory.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the term "twon" and seeks clarification on its meaning, suggesting a possible connection to muons.
  • Another participant proposes that "twon" may refer to "tauon," a heavy lepton related to electrons and muons.
  • A third participant explains that pair production typically requires high-energy gamma rays and questions the feasibility of producing muon or tau particles from photon deceleration.
  • A later reply elaborates on quantum field theory, describing the vacuum state as filled with virtual particles that can influence real phenomena, suggesting that energy can convert virtual particles into real particles.
  • One participant emphasizes that the original question pertains to a real process involving photon deceleration and electron-positron pair production, distinguishing it from virtual processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of "twon" and the mechanisms of pair production, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the definitions or processes involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the "twon" and the specific conditions under which photon deceleration leads to pair production. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of quantum field theory and its implications for particle interactions.

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I have a smal brain but am trying to help an elderly gentleman (who doesn't speak too good English) with his theories.

He talks about a "twon" or tuon in relation to the rapid deceleration of photons, producing eletron-positron pairs.

I can't find any particle or process similar to this except muons. Has anyone ever heard of twons?
 
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Maybe he means tauon; this is a heavy lepton in the same family as the electron. The three "flavors", from lightest to heaviest are electron, muon, tauon. The latter two names come from the greek letters mu and tau, used to designate those particles. Mu rhymes with moo, and tau rhymes with cow. Corresponding to each of these particles there is also a neutrino, called the electron neutrino, the mu-neutrino and the tau-neutrino.
 
Pair production (mostly) occurs when a high energy (above 1.022 Mev) gamma ray passes close to a nucleus. Much more energy would be required to get muon or tau particles.
 
rokket said:
He talks about a "twon" or tuon in relation to the rapid deceleration of photons, producing eletron-positron pairs.

Look, the twon is indeed tauon as sA pointed out... Now concerning the pair production, let me provide you with the "general" picture of this system works. In Quantum Field Theory or QFT (the theory that describes the socalled Standard Model in which all elementary particles are classified) the concept of a vacuum or the empty space is quite different from what we intuitively would call empty. The clue is that this vacuum-state is not really empty. It contains a gazillion socalled virtual particles that are on themselves not real, yet in some way (i won't get into this) they can influence real physical phenomena that we are able to observe by experiments...

So the vacuum state needs to be seen as a "sea" of virtual particles that can form virtual anti-particle pairs (also called the vacuum-fluctuations), a bit like bubbles in a bottle of water.These pairs are constantly created and they die very soon there-after.

Now suppose we can apply some energy to this vacuum state. What will be the consequence ? Well, some of these "vacuum-bubbles" can become real particles for a short time, just like an electron-positron-pair. This energy is used by the virtual particles to become real. Real, means in this case that a particle is the end-result of some interaction. A virtual particle will never be the "outcome" when for example some proton interacts with some electron.

So basically when enough energy is available some real particle can be created out of "nothing". The best example is probably the electron that is observed in beta-decay. It is an atomic nucleus that decays, yet an electron is observed. At first, scientists thought this electron came from the nucleus. Trust me, this is NOT the case. The explanation is that this electron is created out of nothing (the vacuum surrounding the nucleus) and the necessary energy is provided by the decaying mother-nucleus...

regards
marlon
 
In the original question, the process involved a rapid deceleration of photons, producing electron-positron pairs. This means a real process, not the virtual processes of a vacuum.
 

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