Proof: A, B, and C Sets | A Union B Subset of C

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The discussion revolves around a proof concerning set theory, specifically addressing the relationship between sets A, B, and C, and the implications of the statement that A union B is a subset of C. Participants explore the validity and clarity of the proof provided, as well as the necessity of such a proof in the context of set theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof that if A union B is a subset of C, then both A and B must also be subsets of C.
  • Another participant questions the need for a formal proof, suggesting that the relationship is obvious and that the proof process is tedious.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the clarity of specific lines in the proof, particularly regarding the logical transitions made.
  • There are suggestions for minimizing the proof's length and improving clarity, with one participant providing a more concise version of the proof.
  • Multiple participants inquire about the acceptance of the proof by instructors, indicating variability in teaching approaches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of the proof, with some viewing it as obvious and others supporting its formal structure. There is also no agreement on the clarity of the proof, as some find it vague while others believe it is acceptable.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the proof may be seen as vague in certain parts, particularly regarding the logical implications drawn from the definitions of subsets. There is also a mention of different teaching styles that may influence how proofs are received.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning set theory, educators teaching proofs in mathematics, and anyone interested in the nuances of mathematical logic and clarity in proofs.

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Suppose A, B, and C are sets.
Prove that if A union B is a subset of C, then A is a subset of C and B is a subset of C.

My proof:
Suppose A, B, and C are sets such that A union B is a subset of C.
Then for all x, if x is in A union B, then x is in C.
Since x is in A union B, this means x is in A or x is in B.
Then if x is in A or x is in B, then x is in C.
Hence, if x is in A, then x is in C, and if x is in B, then x is in C.
Thus, A is a subset of C and B is a subset of C.

Is this ok?
 
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why not just the obvious:

A < AuB < C

hence A<C

other wise you've got to do tedious propositional logic.

i teach a course like this, and i can't understand why you have to prove something so obvious to be honest. it's bollocks isn't it?

it's obvious and as is often the case with obvious things writing down the proof is a pain, but you're at least on the right track, although you could tidy it up:

to show A<B you need:

x in A true implies

(x in A) or (xi in B) is true


so x in AuB is true,

hence x in C is true by the definition of subset,
 
Can I just assume that A is contained in A union B which is contained in C?
The way I have written my proof is the way we were taught in class.
Does it make sense? Or are there obvious flaws in the logic?
 
anon1980_1@hotmail.c said:
Can I just assume that A is contained in A union B which is contained in C?
The way I have written my proof is the way we were taught in class.
Does it make sense? Or are there obvious flaws in the logic?

No obvious flaws. Most teachers will accept your proof. A small minority might ask you how "Then if x is in A or x is in B, then x is in C" leads to "Hence, if x is in A, then x is in C, and if x is in B, then x is in C"
 
The next to last line of your proof is a little vague. I'm at a loss for how to make it clearer though.
 
How can I clarify the next to last line? Someone please offer me suggestions?
 
anon1980_1@hotmail.c said:
Can I just assume that A is contained in A union B which is contained in C?
The way I have written my proof is the way we were taught in class.
Does it make sense? Or are there obvious flaws in the logic?

I gave a proof that A<AuB

you should try to minimize the number of lines.

Here's my full word proof:

We must show that A<C. Let x be in A

(x in A) => (x in A)or(x in B) => (x in AuB) => (x in C)

and we are done.

if you want more words then write 'which implies that'
 

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