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| Dec13-10, 06:18 AM | #1 |
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Contortion tensor
I have been reading papers on teleparallel gravity as well as the recent modified gravity called f(T) (see e.g. astro-ph/1005.3039v2).
I am confused about the contortion tensor, which is defined as the difference between the teleparallel connection and the usual GR connection. In the paper above, as well as say, equation 7 of gr-qc/1001.3407 and equation 6 of gr-qc/0607138v1, it is given by: ![]() However, page 254 of Nakahara "Geometry, Topology and Physics" as well as some papers such as this (which quoted Nakahara), give I am confused why there's discrepancies in the extra minus signs. Granted that the torsion tensor in the teleparallel papers seem to differ from Nakahara's text and differential geometry texts by an extra minus sign, i.e. ![]() instead of shouldn't the contortion then differ by an *overall* minus sign instead of having only one of the terms differ in sign? |
| Dec14-10, 01:39 AM | #2 |
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Did you take into account the fact that [itex]T^\lambda_{\mu\nu}[/itex] is antisymmetric in [itex]\mu,\nu[/itex] whichever way it is defined?
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| Dec14-10, 05:04 AM | #3 |
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| Dec14-10, 06:13 AM | #4 |
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Contortion tensor
One possible reason for discrepancies may be due to the fact that in gr-qc/0607138v1 they have index [itex]\theta[/itex] which refers to an orthonormal tetrad. They can mean something else by the connection coefficients. It is not clear. This needs to be checked. Nakhara based formulas for the coordinate frame are certainly correct.
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| Dec14-10, 07:20 AM | #5 |
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| Dec14-10, 12:33 PM | #6 |
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I have checked Nakahara's calculations and they are correct. He uses the convention for covariant differentiation different than here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covariant_derivative. Specifically, Nakahara uses
[tex] \nabla_{\mu}g_{\nu\lambda}:=\partial_{\mu}g_{\nu\lambda}-\Gamma^{\kappa}{}_{\mu\nu}g_{\kappa\lambda}-\Gamma^{\kappa}{}_{\mu\lambda}g_{\nu\kappa} =0 [/tex] by the metricity condition imposed to the linear connection. If you compare this formula with the Wikipedia definition (semicolon notation), you can see the difference. The Wiki formula for the (0,2) tensor is wrong, it is not a consequence of the (0,1) tensor written there, but from a formula for the (0,1) tensor written with the lower indices of the connection backwards. Checking the Wiki comment page, I see that somenone noticed this error, too: |
| Dec15-10, 01:28 PM | #7 |
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[tex] T^{\lambda}{}_{\mu\nu}:= \Gamma^{\lambda}{}_{\mu\nu}-\Gamma^{\lambda}{}_{\nu\mu} [/tex] ,while Aldrovandi & Pereira (quoted by 2 of the article you mention oposing Nakahara) use the following conventions/definitions: [tex] \nabla_{\mu}g_{\nu\lambda}:=\partial_{\mu}g_{\nu\lambda}-\Gamma^{\kappa}{}_{\nu\mu}g_{\kappa\lambda}-\Gamma^{\kappa}{}_{\lambda\mu}g_{\nu\kappa} [/tex] AND [tex] T^{\lambda}{}_{\mu\nu}:= \Gamma^{\lambda}{}_{\nu\mu}-\Gamma^{\lambda}{}_{\mu\nu} [/tex]. Both approaches are correct. The authors follow the conventions they choose with precision, so that a confusion as the one pointed on the Wiki page does not exist. The conventions of Aldrovandi and Pereira are probably more common in physics articles/books than the ones used by Nakahara (I remember the literature on the PGT), but, nonetheless, both are equally correct. |
| Dec15-10, 01:55 PM | #8 |
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I suggest you check this paper by Pereira, where the explicit relation between Weitzenböck connection coefficients (used by Aldrovandi et al) and Christoffel symbols of the Levi-Civita connection is given. The rest should be an easy calculation.
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| Dec16-10, 12:50 AM | #9 |
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Thanks to all the help guys. Really appreciated!
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