Normal Force = Weight of Book: Agree or Disagree?

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on a book at rest on a level table, specifically the relationship between the normal force and the weight of the book. Participants are examining the validity of a student's assertion that these forces are equal due to Newton's third law.

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  • Participants are questioning the application of Newton's third law to the forces acting on the book and whether the normal force and weight can be considered an action-reaction pair. Some are exploring the implications of these forces acting on the same body versus different bodies.

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The discussion is active, with participants expressing differing viewpoints on the nature of the forces involved. Some have provided reasoning for their positions, while others are challenging the interpretations presented. There is no explicit consensus, but the dialogue is exploring various interpretations of the forces at play.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of Newton's laws and the definitions of action-reaction pairs, with some indicating that certain forces are irrelevant to the current discussion.

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Consider the following statement made by a student about a book at rest on a level table:

"The two forces exerted on the book are the normal force directed up and the weight of the book directed down. These are equal in magnitude and opposite to one another. By Newton's third law they are a third law force pair so the normal force is always equal to the weight of the book."
Do you agree with the student? Explain?
 
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i disagree maybe because that the normal force and weight are not acting on each other so it doesn't satisfy Newtons 3rd law action-reaction pair?
 
You are right to disagree but your reasoning is wrong. Newton's 3. law involves the forces on two objects, i.e. the force the table exerts on the book is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to the force the book exerts on the table.
 
vsage said:
I disagree with your disagreeing :) The normal force and the weight act on the same body to give a resultant zero force. They are an action-reaction pair by Newton's third law because otherwise if the two forces did not cancel each other out then the book would be free to travel through the table.
No it is not an action-reaction pair because both forces are acting on the same body.
 
vsage:
You're simply wrong!
There's actually two action/reaction pairs here:
Weight of book/book's force on the Earth
Normal force on book from table/Normal force from book on table.

Weight of book/Normal force on book from table is not an action/reaction pair.
 
Air resistance and static friction has no relevance here.
 

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