Calculate Damping Coefficient of 50.0g Egg

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The problem involves calculating the damping coefficient for a 50.0-g hard-boiled egg oscillating on a spring with a given force constant. The egg is released with an initial amplitude and experiences a damping force, leading to a decrease in amplitude over time.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law to the system, exploring the form of the differential equation governing the motion. There are attempts to express the solution in terms of exponential and trigonometric functions, with some participants questioning the conditions for these solutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing various forms of the differential equation and exploring the implications of initial conditions on the solution. Some guidance has been provided regarding the form of the amplitude function over time, but there is no explicit consensus on the final approach to determining the damping coefficient.

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There is uncertainty regarding the assumptions made about the amplitude function and the values of certain parameters, such as the damping coefficient. Participants are navigating these constraints while attempting to derive a solution.

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A 50.0-g hard-boiled egg moves on the end of a spring with force constant . It is released with an amplitude 0.300 m. A damping force acts on the egg. After it oscillates for 5.00 s, the amplitude of the motion has decreased to 0.100 m.Calculate the magnitude of the damping coefficient . Express the magnitude of the damping coefficient numerically in kilograms per second, to three significant figures

pls who can help me?
thanx
 
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How should Newton's 2.law of motion look like?
 
i think it is:
-kx-bv=ma
 
That's correct!
Now, what type of solutions have you learned that this differential equation has?
 
See it as

[tex]-kx - b \frac{dx}{dt} = m\frac{d^2 x}{dt^2}[/tex]
 
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You're right, thanks alridno :smile:
 
v= dx/dt and a= d^2/dt^2
 
but what is the answer of d^2/dt^2 then?
 
mlee:
Any progress at what sort of solutions your equation has?
 
  • #10
uh not really...;(
 
  • #11
Now, I'd like you try a solution of the form:
[tex]x(t)=Ae^{rt}[/tex] (A and r constants)
What condition must be placed on "r" in order for this to be a solution.
Please post your work.
 
  • #12
Asin(wt)+Bcos (wt)
 
  • #13
mlee said:
Asin(wt)+Bcos (wt)
This is a solution of an UNDAMPED, harmonic oscillator.
Your oscillator is NOT undamped; try my approach, and post your work.
 
  • #14
Ae-bt/2mCos(ω't + φ)
 
  • #15
Ae^(bt/2m)*cos(w't+φ)
 
  • #16
You lack a minus sign in your exponential!
Now, knowing
a) The initial displacement
and
b)That the initial velocity is zero
How can you determine [tex]A,\phi[/tex]

Besides, what is your value of "w"?
 
  • #17
ω = sqrt(k/m)
ω' = √((k/m) - (b²/4m²))
 
  • #18
Now, so how does your initial conditions determine [tex]A,\phi[/tex]?
 
  • #19
i don't know how to find [tex]phi[/tex]
 
  • #20
and w' = 5*10^2-(b^2/1*10^-2)
is that right?
 
  • #21
Now, initially we have:
[tex]A\cos\phi=A_{0}[/tex]
where [tex]A_{0}[/tex] is the initial displacement.
In order to find the position, we differentiate:
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt}=Ae^{-\frac{bt}{2m}}(-w'\sin(w't+\phi)-\frac{b}{2m}\cos(w't+\phi))[/tex]
Hence, for t=0, we must have:
[tex]0=A(-w'\sin(\phi)-\frac{b}{2m}\cos(\phi))[/tex]
 
  • #22
Furthermore, in order to solve the problem, remember that:
[tex]Ae^{\frac{-bt}{2m}}[/tex] is the AMPLITUDE as a function of time..
 
  • #23
cos phi is 0.333?
is that right?
 
  • #24
You get the equations:
[tex]A\cos\phi=A_{0}[/tex]
and
[tex]tan\phi=-\frac{b}{2mw'}[/tex]
 
  • #25
b is unknown
 
  • #26
You're right!
While I have a method to determine 'b', I don't think this is what has been intended.
I think that it has been assumed (incorrectly!) that the amplitude function is:
[tex]A_{0}e^{\frac{-bt}{2m}}[/tex]
where [tex]A_{0},m[/tex] are known quantities.
Hence, it is simple to determine 'b' from this.
(Just plug in the proper t-value and set your amplitude equal to the given value)
I think this has been the intention; the equation you may derive for 'b' is not easy to solve.
 

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