New York Times: Bush was utterly incoherant

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The discussion centers around a New York Times article that critiques President Bush's comments regarding potential Supreme Court nominations during a second term. Participants express varied opinions on the credibility of the NY Times, the nature of its journalism, and the implications of Bush's remarks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that President Bush's comments were incoherent and reflect poorly on his preparedness for potential Supreme Court nominations.
  • Others assert that the NY Times is biased and serves as a propaganda outlet for leftist ideologies, suggesting that only socialists value its content.
  • Some participants defend the NY Times, claiming it engages in real journalism and is often cited by various news outlets, including those with conservative leanings.
  • A few participants note the distinction between editorials and news articles, with some emphasizing that the article in question was an editorial and not a news report.
  • There are comments on the perceived inconsistency in labeling the NY Times as socialist, especially when compared to global perspectives on conservatism.
  • Some participants engage in light-hearted banter and personal jabs, reflecting a more informal tone amidst the debate.

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Participants exhibit a lack of consensus, with multiple competing views on the credibility of the NY Times and the interpretation of Bush's comments. Disagreements persist regarding the nature of the article and the broader implications of its content.

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Some participants express confusion over the definitions of socialism and communism, indicating a potential misunderstanding of political terminology in the context of media critique.

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This discussion may be of interest to those examining media bias, political communication, and the dynamics of public discourse surrounding political figures and institutions.

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...the president was utterly incoherent when asked about whom he might name to the Supreme Court in a second term. His comment about how he didn't want to offend any judges because he wanted "them all voting for me" was a joke - but an unfortunate one, given the fact that the president owes his job to a Supreme Court vote.

Original article from the NY Times. Site linked is a non-registration site.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101004Y.shtml
 
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NY Times is a left wind propaganda machine. Nobody really cares what they have to say except the socialists who like to be fed what they already believe and support anyway.
 
*Yeah, it's just a pity that the Times is one of the few newspapers around that does any real journalism.* It's also strange that the Times gets quoted more often than any other paper, by news services around the country. Why, I've seen Fox News quoting from the Times on numerous occasions. I wonder why they believe all the bull$#!t written in the Times ! :confused:
 
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Gokul43201 said:
*Yeah, it's just a pity that the Times is one of the few newspapers around that does any real journalism.*

They always get the first stories too...even if they have to make it up! ;)
 
LOL! The times is a JOKE!
 
LOL! Ayn Rand was a neurotic NUTTER.
 
In my previous political science class we were encouraged to read the NY times. The professor would assign a topic and really pick our brains on it, which is a very effective way of encouraging us to be really critical and analytic. He also rarely talked about his democratic views to anybody unless he's asked what he thinks.
 
PRBot.Com said:
LOL! The times is a JOKE!
If it's written in capitol letters, it MUST BE TRUE! LOLZ0R `*(^_^)*`
 
If you are a socialist you will obviously LOVE the NYT :D
 
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PRBot.Com said:
If you are a socialist you will obviously LOVE the NYT :D
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Can you please shut up with the stupid rhetoric and try to remain somewhat intelligent? Anyone can say "If you're (negative adjective), you'll love (something)", it doesn't mean it's worth saying or an intelligent thing to say.

Check it out:

If you're a fascist scumbag who hates people and only cares about money, you'll love laizzes fair capitalism :D:D:D:D:D:D

Did that statement do anything besides prompt you to respond with some other mindless bull****? I doubt it.
 
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Now now, progressive! PROGRESSIVE!
 
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hehehehehe!

You are what your user name suggests, IMHO :D waste of 02 :D
 
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kat said:
Now now, progressive! PROGRESSIVE!
So long as Bill O'Reilly gets to be a "Traditionalist", why the hell not?
 
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PRBot.Com said:
hehehehehe!

You are what your user name suggests, IMHO :D waste of 02 :D
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Do you have any idea how unoriginal that comment was? The only reason I even use this retarted name is to see how many people will be unoriginal enough to try to insult me with it.
 
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PRBot.Com said:
NY Times is a left wind propaganda machine. Nobody really cares what they have to say except the socialists who like to be fed what they already believe and support anyway.

So, I take it you didn't actually bother to follow the link? If you had, you'd see that the article was appropriately placed in the Editorials section. And if you watched the debate, you'd have seen that Bush very clearly stated he had given no thought about who he might appoint to the Supreme Court if the opportunity arose, and then stalled for time with a horribly awkward joke. As president, he should have a few ideas in mind! It is another demonstration that he is reactive, not proactive, in the way he runs the country.
 
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I won't comment on the Times as a news source, its irrelevant here: that specific article was an editorial.
 
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I thought you weren't going to comment.
 
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It's funny to see how some people label a paper that would be considered conservative by 90 % of the world's population as "socialist" if there is any critical article in it. And since some people here do not make the difference between socialism and communism,: do the time's reporters wear Mao suits? Anyway, according to this "logic" Bush has a communist ally: Blair.
 
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Tsunami said:
I thought you weren't going to comment.
Huh? I said I wasn't going to comment on the Times as a news source. The article was not a news article so it doesn't say anything about how the Times covers news. Anyway, saying that it was an editorial is a factual observation, not a comment. :-p

But to clarify a little more, now I will comment on the Times as a news source: when reporting the news, most mainstream news sources are pretty similar - most are slightly left leaning, but none are all that bad. The CBS flap, notwithstanding.
 
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...now I will comment on the Times as a news source
Careful, russ. Now you're flip-flopping.
Your point is moot. The NY Times is a worldwide publication that is well read and well respected by MANY people. The word gets out. :biggrin:
 
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Tsunami said:
Careful, russ. Now you're flip-flopping.
Heh, fair enough. I figure its justified to clarify an apparent misinterpretaton of my point.
Your point is moot.
Yep, that's my point - now you're getting it. Whether or not the Times is a good news source is moot since the article posted is not a news article.
The NY Times is a worldwide publication that is well read and well respected by MANY people.
Agreed - that's what I said (though more generally) in my last post. But like you said - that's moot! :smile:
 
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God help me! russ and I agree! :smile: :smile: :smile:
 
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Tsunami said:
God help me! russ and I agree! :smile: :smile: :smile:
You're starting to turn me on. :blushing:
 

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