Mastering Hard Problems in Newtonian Mechanics: Tips and Tricks

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The discussion revolves around a Newtonian mechanics problem involving a block and pulley system with two masses connected by a cord. The original poster seeks assistance in setting up free body diagrams and understanding the acceleration of the system, particularly why mass M accelerates despite the absence of friction on mass m1.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the masses and the implications of the system's center of mass remaining constant. There is an exploration of the relationship between the accelerations of the masses and the forces exerted through the pulley.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the forces at play and the relationships between the accelerations of the different masses. However, there is still uncertainty expressed by the original poster about the equations of motion and the overall setup.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the dynamics of the system, particularly the role of tension in the cord and how it affects the acceleration of mass M. There is a noted confusion about the application of Newton's second law in this context.

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Ok, this is a pretty hard problem I don't really know how to start. The set up is as follows, there is a block M and on the top edge of it there is a pulley, set up ontop of mass M is a mass m1, and that's connected to mass m2 that is on the right hand side of mass M. There is no friction and the cords are massless and everything. I really only need help setting up the free body diagrams for the three masses as I should be able to figure it out from there. I am confused also on why exactly mass M accelerates when there is no friction on mass m1 anyways. Any help would be great thanks.
 
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Note that since the only external force is gravity, the horizontal position of the system's C.O.M must remain constant.
Since m1 is drawn to the right, M must be drawn to the left.
m1 imparts on the cord a force to the left, this is imparted through the pulley onto M.
Ok?
 
mewmew said:
I am confused also on why exactly mass M accelerates when there is no friction on mass m1 anyways. Any help would be great thanks.

See the picture. Have I understood your problem well?

There are two crucial points in this problem. One is the acceleration of m1. It is equal to a2 with respect to the big box, which accelerates backwards with "a", so the acceleration of m1 in an inertial frame of reference (with respect to the table) is a1=a2-a.
The other problem is, why does M accelerate at all. Where is the force that makes it accelerate? Well, it is again the tension in the cord. The pulley is pressed by both branches of the cord. The resultant of these two forces from the cord is F. The pulley is attached by a rigid support to the box, that is, the box experiences a force F drawn by red in the picture. The horizontal component of this force is equal to the tension T, that will accelerate the box backwards.

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Yes, the above is correct, thanks a lot!
 
Ok, I guess I was wrong, I think I need a little more help, I can't get the f=ma for the masses in the x direction. It seems that Ma=T, m1a1=T, m2a2=T-m2g, with a1=a2. I think it has something to do with a has not only the mass of M but of all three, I am not really sure. I guess I am off by quite a bit, but don't know where to start. Thanks a lot again
 
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mewmew said:
a1=a2.

This is wrong, read my post again.

There are two crucial points in this problem. One is the acceleration of m1. It is equal to a2 with respect to the big box, which accelerates backwards with "a", so the acceleration of m1 in an inertial frame of reference (with respect to the table) is a1=a2-a.


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