Any tips on improper integrals? (also, question)

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The discussion revolves around improper integrals, specifically focusing on their evaluation and convergence. Participants express concerns about understanding the comparison test and the application of limits in various integral scenarios.

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  • The original poster attempts to evaluate an improper integral involving an exponential function and expresses uncertainty about the application of the comparison test. They outline a plan to break the integral into two parts and evaluate limits.
  • Another participant suggests looking up standard forms of improper integrals and provides a specific integral as an example, while also mentioning steps to show convergence.
  • Multiple participants raise questions about handling specific limits and the use of comparison to determine convergence or divergence, particularly at points where the integrand becomes problematic.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the steps involving double integrals and variable substitution, indicating a need for further understanding of these concepts.

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The discussion is active with participants exploring different approaches to improper integrals. Some guidance has been offered regarding standard forms and methods for evaluating convergence, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to take for the problems presented.

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Participants are navigating the challenges of improper integrals, including specific limits that lead to potential divergence. There is a focus on the comparison test and the need for clarity on certain mathematical steps, indicating a learning environment with varying levels of understanding.

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Those things scare me.

A lot.


They look tame and not so im-proper when you only evaluate the integral and take the limit... then you see that section in your texts titled " Comparison of improper integrals."

I've looked at a few google links but all problems still seem so different to me-- I can't pin down a pattern I can use. I know about the comparison test ( 0 <= f(x) <= g(x) ) for example but applying it is kinda.. hard.

I know I'll be able to do HW but I don't know if I'll master the subject to do a problem like this for example:

Find the value of a (to three decimal places) that makes

[tex]\int a e^u dx = 1[/tex]


limits are negative infinity to positive infinity...

btw there is no "u" in the problem... I can't use this tex thing properly so here u is = -x^2/2 that's the negative of the square root of x over 2...

Now how do I even start such a problem? My plan of attack:

take out a outside and break the integral into two parts (with limits as negative infinity to b for the first integral and b to infinity for the second integral) and evaluate the limits... I'm guessing it converges. I'll set that value it coverges to equal to 1 and solve for an a that will somehow transform that value to 1...

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Well, basically this is one of those standard improper integrals which you'll just hve to look up in some handbook of integrals.
[tex]\int \limits_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{-\lambda x^2}dx=\sqrt\frac{\pi}{\lambda}}[/tex]

I don't think they'll ask you to show this on your own.

It's not that hard though, once you know how.
-First show that the integal converges. Call the value I.
-Find I^2 and write it as a double integral.
-Use a change of variables (should be easy to see which change).
-Evaluate the integral.
 
I've got another question...

[tex]\int 1/ ( t + 1 )^2[/tex]

the limits are -1 and 5..

the trouble spot is -1 but I don't know how to deal with it by comparison... I know I'll replace it with b and take the limit to b of that integral but they want me to do it with comparison and see if it coverges or diverges..


-Find I^2 and write it as a double integral.
-Use a change of variables (should be easy to see which change).

I'm not sure what you mean by those two steps. Do you mean I^2/2 ?
 
FancyNut said:
I've got another question...

[tex]\int 1/ ( t + 1 )^2[/tex]

the limits are -1 and 5..

the trouble spot is -1 but I don't know how to deal with it by comparison... I know I'll replace it with b and take the limit to b of that integral but they want me to do it with comparison and see if it coverges or diverges..
If you picture the graph. What does your intuition say about the integral?
If you want to do it by comparison. What function does the integrand look like?

About the other integral. What I meant was:
[tex]I=\int \limits_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{-\lambda x^2}dx[/tex]
[tex]I^2=\int \limits_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{-\lambda x^2}dx\int \limits_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{-\lambda y^2}dy=\int \limits_{-\infty}^{\infty} \int \limits_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{-\lambda(x^2+y^2)}dxdy[/tex]
You can solve this double integral by substitution and then find I.
 
Galileo said:
If you picture the graph. What does your intuition say about the integral?
If you want to do it by comparison. What function does the integrand look like?

Well it explodes and goes to infinity at -1...

It looks like

[tex]\int 1/t^2 dt[/tex]
 

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