Capacitor input filter for voltage regulater

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functioning of a capacitor input filter in a voltage regulator circuit, specifically addressing the behavior of the filter in relation to the output from a full-wave rectifier. Participants explore the implications of using a resistor in conjunction with the capacitor and the effects on filtering performance, load conditions, and ripple voltage.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the 120 Hz output from the full-wave rectifier can pass through the RC filter despite the calculated cutoff frequency being 66 Hz.
  • Another participant clarifies that the cutoff frequency indicates where filtering becomes significant, but does not imply complete attenuation of frequencies below this point.
  • It is noted that the behavior of the system may differ from LPF calculations due to significant load and nonlinear elements.
  • A participant explains that the output of a bridge rectifier contains both DC and AC components, with the AC component being reduced by the low-pass filter, especially under no load conditions.
  • Discussion includes the role of the capacitor in charging to the peak voltage and discharging into the load, which contributes to the observed ripple in the output.
  • One participant inquires about the purpose of the resistor in the circuit and whether an RC-RC stage is being suggested for additional filtering.
  • Another participant describes the effect of the resistor in reducing the charging current of the capacitor, which can exceed the output current.
  • It is mentioned that the ripple is also influenced by the winding resistance of the transformer, which limits the charging speed of the reservoir capacitor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the effectiveness and implications of the capacitor input filter, with no consensus reached on the optimal configuration or the extent of filtering achieved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for improving filtering performance.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the behavior of the circuit may be affected by load conditions and the presence of nonlinear elements, which complicates the application of standard low-pass filter calculations.

Pagedown
Messages
92
Reaction score
0
This question has been boggling my mind. The capacitor input(C2) filter in this schematic helps me filter the output from the rectifier. With combination of Rchoke (is just a resistor and not an inductor) of 2.4ohm, it limits my peak current and filters the output voltage from the rectifier.

The question is why the 120 Hz output from the full wave rectifier can pass through since it is actually an RC filter. 1/2*pi*2.4*1000u = 66Hz (cut-off frequency) ?

Any help is GREATLY appreaciated.

P.S I have tried using a pi-filter which can give me higher output voltage filtering, but absorbs more current.
 

Attachments

  • 2A.jpg
    2A.jpg
    84 KB · Views: 615
Engineering news on Phys.org
The cutoff frequency only represents the frequency where the filtering action becomes significant, (generally considered to be where it's reducing by about 3db) it doesn't mean that it will 100% filter out any frequency below (in the low-pass case) it.

I should also point out that because you have a significant load, and nonlinear elements, the way the system is going to behave is going to be significantly different then you LPF calculations.

Here are three things you can do to improve your performance:
1. Increase load resistance
2. Increase C2 capacitance
3. Add additional filtering stages
 
The output of a bridge rectifier contains a DC component and an AC component at 120 Hz.

The AC component is reduced by the low pass filter, especially when there is no load.

This leaves the DC component.

When there is a load, the capacitor charges up to the peak voltage of the rectifier output and then discharges slowly into the load when this pulse is reduced.

This tends to fill in the gap between rectified output pulses and bigger capacitors do a better job of filling in this gap.

The result of this is that the output is DC with a "ripple" on it where the capacitor discharges partly before the next rectifier pulse.
 
Thank you all for the informative replies.

Adding filtering stages?Do you mean RC-RC stage?
What is the purpose of the resistor actually? Why not just a Cap?
 
One effect of the resistor is to reduce the charging current of the capacitor. This can be many times the output current and may cause you to need bigger rectifiers than you would without the resistor.

Sometimes the transformer has enough resistance to limit this current but the series resistor helps.
 
The ripple on the rectified AC is also affected on load by the winding resistance of the transformer. The source resistance limits how fast the reservoir capacitor charges up on each rising peak of volts from the rectifier.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
5K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
5K