Do Accelerated Charges Always Radiate?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which accelerated charges radiate, particularly focusing on the behavior of an electron and a proton accelerating together, and the implications for neutral matter. Participants explore various scenarios, including the formation of a hydrogen atom and the behavior of dipoles under acceleration.

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  • One participant questions when accelerated charges radiate and when they do not, particularly in the context of neutral matter composed of charged particles.
  • Another participant suggests that the interaction of opposite charges may result in no net radiation due to their oppositely directed magnetic fields.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of the fields produced by the charges rather than the acceleration itself.
  • One participant asserts that a dipole will radiate if its dipole moment is not constant, discussing the conditions under which quadrupole radiation can occur.
  • Another participant elaborates on the mathematical relationships between multipole moments and their time derivatives, indicating that specific conditions must be met for radiation to occur.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions for radiation from accelerated charges, particularly regarding dipoles and quadrupoles. There is no consensus on the overall question of when accelerated charges radiate.

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Participants highlight the complexity of radiation conditions, including the dependence on the time variation of multipole moments and the nature of the acceleration applied to the charges.

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Assume two charges, an electron and a proton, accelerate together. For example, let them start at (x,y)=(0,h) and (0,-h) and move in the +x direction along parallel trajectories (x(t),h) and (x(t),-h) while accelerating.

If they are far apart I assume they will each radiate on its own, but what happens if they are close, or even combine to form a hydrogen atom? When will they stop radiating?

Any neutral piece of materia made up of electrons, neutrons and protons consists of charges, so why doesn't a neutral piece of materia radiate under acceleration?

In short: When do accelerated charges radiate and when don't they?
 
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Assume two charges, an electron and a proton, accelerate together. For example, let them start at (x,y)=(0,h) and (0,-h) and move in the +x direction along parallel trajectories (x(t),h) and (x(t),-h) while accelerating.

If they are far apart I assume they will each radiate on its own, but what happens if they are close, or even combine to form a hydrogen atom? When will they stop radiating?

Any neutral piece of materia made up of electrons, neutrons and protons consists of charges, so why doesn't a neutral piece of materia radiate under acceleration?

In short: When do accelerated charges radiate and when don't they?

This is not my strongest area, but I think it is that opposite charges, when accelerated, will produce oppositely directed magnetic fields, so there is no net field. I am eager, though, to see comments from someone with a stronger background.
 
Thanks, that makes sense. What happens to the fields is perhaps more important than the acceleration of the charges itself.

A slightly different question: If a dipole is accelerated, will it radiate?
 
Yes, they will radiate. Although this is not obvious!

Let d be the position vector of the midpoint of the two particles, and h the vector from there to particle 1. The particles will be located at r1 = d + h and r2 = d - h. The dipole moment will be p = ∑ qi ri = e(d + h) - e(d - h) = 2eh. So what, you say? The point is that p is constant. You can't possibly get dipole radiation from the charges, since their dipole moment is constant.

Ok, now look at the quadrupole moment. Q = ∑ qi riri = e(d + h)(d + h) - e(d - h)(d - h) = 2e(dh + hd). So what, you say? The point is that Q is *not* constant. Since you can choose d(t) to be anything you like, Q can also be made to vary in time in any way you like. So in general you can get quadrupole radiation. But there's a condition that must be imposed on d(t).

E & M books are so quick to Fourier transform everything, it's hard to find a radiation formula that still has t dependence in it. In Jackson, for example, the radiated power of an oscillating dipole is given as P = ck4/3 |p|2. If he hadn't Fourier transformed it, this would have been P = c/3 |p(2)|2, where (2) means the second time derivative. A few pages later, the power from an oscillating quadrupole is given as P = ck6/360 |Q|2. Meaning P = c/360 |Q(3)|2. In general, the radiation formula for the mth multipole moment will have m+1 time derivatives on it.

The point here is that not just any time dependent p or Q will radiate. You need a p such that p(2) is nonzero. Likewise you need a Q such that Q(3) is nonzero. Solutions for which p ~ t or Q ~ t2 do *not* radiate. These are called nonradiative motions.

In the present problem, if you use a constant acceleration d(t) = at2/2, then Q(t) ~ d(t) ~ t2 is a nonradiative motion. You'll get quadrupole radiation if and only if the acceleration is not constant.
 
Great post Bill.
 

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