What Are the Connections Between Tunneling and Wave Phenomena?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the connections between tunneling and wave phenomena, exploring both quantum tunneling and its analogs in classical wave behavior, particularly in the context of light and mechanical waves. Participants seek to understand the underlying principles and quantitative aspects of these phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Aron introduces the concept of tunneling as a quantum phenomenon and relates it to the behavior of light at material boundaries, questioning the nature of tunneling in both contexts.
  • Another participant discusses the "skin effect" in electromagnetism, explaining it through the wave equation and the behavior of electric fields in conductors, highlighting the role of electron number density.
  • A mathematical perspective is provided, suggesting that tunneling is related to complex solutions in potential barriers that exceed energy levels, with a logarithmic decay associated with this effect.
  • Aron expresses interest in quantitative aspects of tunneling, specifically regarding material properties such as electron density and how these can be measured.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to competent textbooks on electricity and magnetism for further information on the skin effect and related phenomena.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of tunneling and its relation to wave phenomena, but there are multiple competing views regarding the specifics of the mechanisms and the mathematical descriptions involved. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of quantitative details and the broader implications of these phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of detailed mathematical derivations and the dependence on specific definitions of tunneling and wave behavior. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of the phenomena or the conditions under which they apply.

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Hi!

I always thought that tunneling was a quantum phenomenum. So another day I found a problem which is about the part of the light that can be transmitted (refracted) even if you send I light beam in an angle greater then the limit angle of two material boundary. By the way looking at a physics book I found that tunnelling can also happen with mechanical waves.
I just want to find where I can get a good explanation to this, tunneling.
Thank you,


Aron
 
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This phenomenon has been known for a very long time. It's sometimes called the "skin effect" in electromagnetism and was first studied by Lord Kelvin and Nicola Tesla.

You easily verify the theory behind the effect by simply considering the wave equation for a light wave normally incident onto a conductor with a given number density for unbound electrons. While you will find an oscillatory solution for, say, the electric field outside the conductor, the solution is exponentially decaying inside the conductor (the evanescent wave).

Physically, it is due to the fact that given a finite number density for electrons in the conductor it takes a finite amount of time for the electrons to accelerate and reradiate in a way to destructively interfere with the incident wave. Of course the further into the conductor the cumulative effect of electrons exposed to the fields becomes more effective at excluding the incident field.

Also, if the electron number density is not above a critical density for the incident wave then some portion of the wave will propagate in the usual fashion through the material.
 
Well, let's say it in mathematical words:
It is because of the existence of a complex answer in the domain that we have a potential grater than our energy. That answer decreases in a logaritmic way.
That makes the tunneling effect.
 
Thank you guys.

I got the point about the reflection and skin effect.
So let me ask more about this. Where I can find some information about the quantitative necessities to this phenomenum happens. Like the espesure of the material and dependence of it is electron density and how to measure it.
Thank you again, in advance.



Aron
 
Any competent textbook on electricity and magnetism will discuss the skin effect. You can also get additional information with a web search (e.g. Google).
 

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