What is the alternate universe theory regarding infinite extent and black holes?

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The discussion revolves around an alternate universe theory that posits an infinite universe without boundaries, the nature of black holes, and the implications for cosmic structures and phenomena such as the cosmic background radiation (CBR). The conversation explores theoretical aspects, speculative models, and challenges related to these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the universe is infinite in extent, with the remnants of the big bang representing merely the past horizon.
  • One participant suggests that black holes are defined not by the mass they have absorbed but by the matter within the event horizon in transit to a singularity, which is described as not being a definable object.
  • There is a hypothesis that matter and energy near the singularity are reformed into an excited vacuum throughout the universe, potentially accounting for missing mass.
  • Another participant questions the nature of the singularity and suggests it may connect to other parts of the universe via a wormhole.
  • Concerns are raised about the explanation of the horizon problem, with one participant asserting that light is drained in transit to the CBR temperature and wavelength.
  • Discussions include the formation of subparticles from perturbations in the excited vacuum, though specifics about these subparticles remain unclear.
  • There is a correction regarding terminology from "solid-state" to "steady-state" in describing the universe's nature.
  • One participant expresses frustration over the lack of responses, questioning whether the theory lacks verifiability or arguable points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the universe, the definition of black holes, and the implications of the proposed theory. There is no consensus on the validity of the alternate universe theory or its components, and multiple competing views remain unresolved.

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Limitations include the speculative nature of the proposed theory, assumptions about particle formation, and the lack of empirical verification for the claims made regarding black holes and the universe's structure.

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I'm going to try to present an alternate universe theory in this post. If I miss an important detail, please point it out. :)


Ok, First part is that the universe is infinite in extent, there is no boundary. What we see as remnants of the big bang is merely the past horizon.

Black holes, especially the ones in the center of galaxies, are not defined by the mass of all matter they have absorbed, but by the matter that is within the event horizon in transit to the 'singularity'. This singularity is not an actual defineable object, and not only is 4d space destroyed in it, but all dimensions are destroyed as the singularity is neared. This results in an effect where all the matter and energy that get sufficiently close to the singularity is reformed into an excited vacuum throughout the universe. (Is this somewhat like a klein bottle?)

This is another part of the theory. All this matter that has actually been reformed is still 'out there' somewhere. This might account for the missing 90% of mass.

Now, the red-shift. As light travels through sufficiently empty space that the excited vacuum is nearly the only 'matter', it perturbs it, and very slowly loses energy as a result of this. The perturbations lead to the formation of the smallest subparticles, which for the most part combine to form hydrogen atoms. (I am assuming an assymetry between particles and anti-particles here). The measured temperature of the CBR may be a function of the minimum energy for new particle formation. This hydrogen drifts towards the most attractive galaxy, often clumping together in transit, forming nebulas. I think a formation of a new galaxy is also possible by this.

What we end up with is a steady-state, yet eternally changing universe, where a trillion years to any observer that could make observations over that time period would completely change the structures seen. Yet they would still see a horizon at ~15 billion light years, beyond which no definition can be seen aside from the cosmic backround radiation.


I fear I didn't explain this too well, I welcome questions. Tear it apart if you wish also. :)
 
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so, you don't believe that the universe is expanding?
also, how do you explain the horizon problem?
 
Originally posted by meteor
so, you don't believe that the universe is expanding?
Nope.
also, how do you explain the horizon problem?
All light is drained in transit from the most distant light sources to about the measured temperature and wavelength of the CBR. Also, the variations in the CBR can easily be explained by the existence of intervening matter such as nearer galaxies and nebulae/dust clouds.
 
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Hi glok
Black holes, especially the ones in the center of galaxies, are not defined by the mass of all matter they have absorbed, but by the matter that is within the event horizon in transit to the 'singularity'.

I think that you are referring here to the Bekenstein-Hawking formula that says that the entropy of a BH is proportional to the area of the event horizon, no?
This singularity is not an actual defineable object
Then what is it??
This results in an effect where all the matter and energy that get sufficiently close to the singularity is reformed into an excited vacuum throughout the universe. (Is this somewhat like a klein bottle?)
Are you suggesting that a wormhole connects the singularity with other part of the universe?
The perturbations lead to the formation of the smallest subparticles,
What subparticles, concretelly?
What we end up with is a solid-state, yet eternally changing universe
Hey, do you mean "steady-state", no?
 
Welcome to Physics Forums, Glok.
New/alternative theories are presented in the Theory Development forum.
...moving this topic...
 
Originally posted by meteor
I think that you are referring here to the Bekenstein-Hawking formula that says that the entropy of a BH is proportional to the area of the event horizon, no?
Not really, that theory assumes full retention of ALL matter that falls into a black hole. The matter I refer to is in transit. But I suppose if you look at it a certain way, yes. :)
Then what is it?
It is the defined center of the black hole, there is not actually anything there.
Are you suggesting that a wormhole connects the singularity with other part of the universe?
Yes exactly. But that is another part of the theory I didn't mention. The 'exit' end of a wormhole is everywhere, and it destroys the structure of all that passes through it.
What subparticles, concretelly?
Any subparticle that is a fundamental one, ie that has no particles that combine to make it. This is just an assumption on my part though... I suppose any combined particle, even whole atoms, could be formed.
Hey, do you mean "steady-state", no?
Yeah, my mistake.

Nobody has given any opinions or faults to this theory... just remember, all current theories on the nature of the universe are exactly that. Theories. I don't see how mine is any less valid, unless someone can point out a fatal flaw.
 
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Yipe. No replies is worse than negative ones. Maybe the problem is there just isn't anything verifiable, and by extension, arguable about my theory? I'm sure some perceptive people here have problems with this theory, could you humor me and point out the glaringly obvious faults?
 
our universe is infinite but it has a finite visible portion that we cannot see beyond
 

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