Relativistic Velocity: Speed Limits & Ranges Explained

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The discussion centers on the concept of relativistic velocity, exploring the thresholds at which velocities can be classified as relativistic and the implications for kinetic energy and time dilation. Participants examine both theoretical and practical aspects of relativistic effects in various contexts, including satellite motion and energy calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the specific range of velocities that can be considered relativistic.
  • Another participant asserts that all velocities are relativistic but suggests that relativistic effects become significant when the Lorentz factor, γ, is substantially greater than 1.
  • A participant introduces the concept of relativistic kinetic energy and proposes a criterion for determining when to use relativistic formulas based on the deviation from classical kinetic energy.
  • Discussion includes an example comparing the velocities of astronauts and GPS satellites, highlighting that the former may not experience noticeable relativistic effects while the latter must account for them.
  • Another participant reiterates the question about relativistic energies and provides a series expansion to illustrate how kinetic energy can be expressed in terms of relativistic corrections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the thresholds for relativistic velocities and the significance of relativistic effects in various scenarios. There is no consensus on a definitive range or criteria for classifying velocities as relativistic.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific contexts (e.g., satellite motion versus human experience) and the unresolved nature of the criteria for determining when relativistic effects become significant.

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Which velocity can be said to be relativistic velocity? I mean is there any range beyond which velocities can be called as relativistic velocities?
 
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All velocities are relativistic, but relativistic effects will not be easily noticeable until the speed is large enough to make

[tex]\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex]

(where v is the speed, and c is the speed of light)

significantly larger than 1.

An example: suppose that v=0.1c, i.e. 10% of the speed of light. Then gamma is about 1.005. Is that significantly larger than 1? That depends on that you're doing. Sometimes a 0.5% correction to the non-relativistic result isn't important, and sometimes it is.
 
Is same true for relativistic energies also?
 
The kinetic energy of a particle is [itex]E_{kin.}=(\gamma -1)mc^2[/itex] if this deviates substantially from classical kinetic energy you should use the relativistic result.

So you could use as a criterium: if [itex]2 (\gamma -1)c^2/v^2[/itex] is significantly larger than 1 you deal with relativistic velocities...
 
Consider the orbital speed of a satellite or spacecraft : ~17,000mph. For an astronaut, this is not a relativistic velocity, meaning he won't notice the time dilation on his watch from takeoff to landing. For a GPS satellite, however, this is a relativistic velocity and must be accounted for in its functioning in order for GPS positions to be accurate.
 
nelufar said:
Is same true for relativistic energies also?
To see the answer to your question it helps to use the series expansion

[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x}}=1+\frac{1}{2}x+\frac{3}{8}x^2+\frac{5}{16}x^3+\dots[/tex]

The kinetic energy is

[tex](\gamma-1)mc^2=\bigg(1+\frac{1}{2}\bigg(\frac{v^2}{c^2}\bigg)+\frac{3}{8}\bigg(\frac{v^2}{c^2}\bigg)^2+\frac{5}{16}\bigg(\frac{v^2}{c^2}\bigg)^3+\dots-1\bigg)mc^2=\frac12mv^2\bigg(1+\frac34\bigg(\frac{v^2}{c^2}\bigg)+\frac58\bigg(\frac{v^2}{c^2}\bigg)^2+\dots\bigg)[/tex]

Note that the first term after the last equality sign is just the non-relativistic kinetic energy. The other terms are relativistic corrections to the non-relativistic result. If the speed is large enough these terms can't be ignored.
 

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