What is Negative Probability and its Physical Interpretation?

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The discussion centers around the concept of negative probability, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and its physical interpretation. Participants explore the implications of negative probabilities in various wave equations, including the Schrödinger and Klein-Gordon equations, and the conditions under which these probabilities arise.

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  • One participant notes a formula for the probability density of a state that results in a negative probability and seeks clarification on its physical interpretation.
  • Another participant suggests that the amplitude of the eigenstate is complex, leading to the probability density being calculated as the square of the modulus of the amplitude.
  • There is a mention that not all wave equations guarantee a positive probability density, indicating variability in interpretations.
  • Discussion arises about the Klein-Gordon equation, where it is noted that the probability density is not positive definite and was initially considered a flaw until reinterpreted as an electric charge density.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the Klein-Gordon equation and its implications for negative probabilities.
  • A detailed explanation of the Klein-Gordon equation is provided, including its derivation and the concept of the KG probability 4-current, which is not positive definite.

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Participants express varying views on the implications of negative probabilities, particularly in relation to different wave equations. There is no consensus on a singular interpretation, and multiple competing views remain regarding the physical meaning of negative probabilities.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding negative probabilities, particularly in the context of different quantum mechanical frameworks and the assumptions underlying the interpretations of probability densities.

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I have noticed a formula in which Cn (the probability density of the nth state ) was somthing like this:

Cn=1/ih*(...)

The probability of this state is then negative.
Can someone tell me about the physical interpretation of negative probability?
Thanks a lot.
:smile:
 
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somy said:
I have noticed a formula in which Cn (the probability density of the nth state ) was somthing like this:

Cn=1/ih*(...)

The probability of this state is then negative.
Can someone tell me about the physical interpretation of negative probability?
Thanks a lot.
:smile:


I am not sure but [itex]C_n = \frac{1}{i \hbar}[/itex] is a complex number. Typically to get the probability density for a state you take the complex conjugate wavefunction times the wavefunction:
[tex] \newcommand{\mean}[1]{{<\!\!{#1}\!\!>}}<br /> \newcommand{\braket}[2]{{<\!\!{#1|#2}\!\!>}}<br /> \newcommand{\braketop}[3]{{<\!\!{#1|\hat{#2}|#3}\!\!>}}<br /> \braket{\Psi}{\Psi} \equiv \int \Psi^*(x) \Psi(x)\,dx[/tex]
 
That's right, Norman. Cn is the amplitude of that eigenstate, and it is complex. The probability of finding the particle in the nth state is |Cn|2, provided that the eigenfunctions in the overall wavefunction are all orthonormal.
 
Though that doesn't mean to say that for some wave equations the probability density associated with them is always necessarily positive...
 
jcsd said:
Though that doesn't mean to say that for some wave equations the probability density associated with them is always necessarily positive...

Yes, we'd need to know if he is talking about a Schrödinger wavefunction or a Klein-Gordon wavefunction.

In the latter case, the probability density is not positive definite, and it was at first thought that the KG equation was fatally flawed for that reason. But later KG was brought back to life by an re-interpretation (I forget by whom) of the KG probability density as an electric charge density (which of course is not required to be positive definite).
 
I have seen negative probabilities as well - what does it mean physically?
 
Thanks guys!
I did a silly mistake!
By the way Tom, can you tell me more about KG equations?
Thanks a lot.
Somy
 
1. The Klein-Gordon Equation
The Klein-Gordon (KG) equation was the first attempt at formulating relativistic quantum mechanics. Start from the relativistic energy-momentum relation for a free particle (in natural units):

p2+m2=E2.

Now take the usual quantization rules:

p=-igrad, E=i(∂/∂t).

Plugging those into the energy-momentum relation gives the KG equation:

[-(grad)2+m2]φ(x,t)=(-i∂/∂t)φ(x,t)

Now if we define the 4-gradient and 4-position as follows:

μ=(-grad,∂/∂t)
xμ=(x,-t),

we can write the KG equation in manifestly covariant form:

[∂μμ+m2]φ(xμ)=0

2. The KG Probability 4-Current

Start with the system of the KG equation and its complex conjugate:

[∂μμ+m2]φ(xμ)=0
[∂μμ+m2*(xμ)=0

Now left-multiply the first equation by φ*(xμ) and the second equation by φ(xμ), and subtract them. Suppressing the functional dependence of φ on xμ, we have:

φ*μμφ-φ∂μμφ*=0,

which can be rewritten as:

μ*μφ-φ∂μφ*[/color])=0.

This is the KG continuity equation, and the quantity in blue[/color] is the KG 4-current density, whose timelike piece is the KG probability density. As you can see, it is not positive definite.
 
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Thank Tom.
It was very clear and useful.
 

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