Investigating Bifilar Pendulum: Ideas & Information

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The discussion revolves around investigating the factors that affect the period of a bifilar pendulum. Participants are exploring various aspects of the pendulum's design, including the relationship between different variables and the underlying physical principles, as well as seeking clarification on the concept itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks ideas on factors to measure or keep constant in their investigation of the bifilar pendulum's period.
  • Another participant questions the definition of a bifilar pendulum, indicating a lack of clarity on the topic.
  • There are suggestions to keep the swing small and to consider changing the distance from the center of the beam while keeping other factors constant.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how to relate the chosen factors to the period using physical principles such as torque and acceleration.
  • Some participants discuss the potential use of the bifilar pendulum to measure inertia, with one noting a specific equation related to measuring rotational inertia about the center of mass.
  • Technical details are provided regarding the derivation of torque and angular frequency related to the bifilar pendulum's motion.
  • A participant inquires about the equation for the period of oscillation in the horizontal plane and expresses uncertainty about its correctness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach consensus on the definition and implications of the bifilar pendulum, with multiple competing views and uncertainties expressed throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific factors that should be manipulated in the experiment, as well as the correct equations to use for analyzing the pendulum's motion. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding among participants.

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I've got an investigation in which iam investigating the factors affecting the perioad of a BIfilar pendulum. So has anyone got any good ideas for me, ie: factors to be measured or kept constand, useful information that i should know, etc.
your help is much appreciated.
 
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What's a bifilar pendulum?
 
Whatever it is, keep the swing SMALL!
 
Are you talking about the DOUBLE pendulum?
 
its called bifilar, i don't know anything else
 
OK, I've decided to change the distance from the centre of the beam nad keep the rest constant, so is this right? or should i have changed the length of the string holding the aluminium baror would both ways be correct?.. but what's still confusing me is that how would i relate that factor's affect on the period using phys. principles (torque, acceleration...) and how is that factor affecting the period any way.
Ohh I am confused! Someone Please helpp!
 
If you want help, you'll need to explain exactly what the thing is that you're talking about. How about a diagram, too?
 
i've been to there but its not that much of a help
 
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So, was anyone else besides me is amused that the website illustrating this "bifilar" pendulum claims that this can be used to measure INERTIA! :)

Anyone recognize that "inertia equation"? :)

Zz.
 
  • #11
Looks like this aims to measure the rotational inertia about the centre of mass of the test object.

I haven't checked the equation, so not sure if it is correct.
 
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The equation is certainly correct for measuring the moment of inertia of the object about the vertical going through the C.M.
1) Let L be the string length, D the distance between the two attached strings, W the weight of the object.
2) Rotate the object slightly in the plane.
In the following, the rotation is assumed so small that all cosines are approximated by unity.
There are two triangles two consider on each side:
a) The triangle in the vertical with the string length as the hypotenuse, and the displacement vector in the horizontal plane (normal to the direction given in that plane by the positions of the attachment points of strings in the undisplaced state).
This displacement vector has length [tex]L\sin\phi[/tex]
Clearly, the component of string tension relevant for rotation in the horizontal plane, is
[tex]\frac{W}{2}\sin\phi[/tex] for a single string.
b) The triangle in the horizontal plane with D/2 as the hypotenuse; clearly we have, for the displacement vector:
[tex]\frac{D}{2}\sin\theta={L}\sin\phi\to\sin\phi=\frac{D}{2L}\sin\theta[/tex]
Here, [tex]\theta[/tex] is the displacement angle in the plane.
c)Hence, the torque from one string is [tex]\frac{D^{2}W}{8L}\sin\theta[/tex]
d)The angular frequency fulfills therefore the relation:
[tex]\omega^{2}= \frac{D^{2}W}{4LI}[/tex]
where I is the moment of inertia of the object.
The given equation is a simple rewriting of that equation.
 
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Does anyone know the equation for the period of oscillation of a bifolar pendulum oscillating in the horizontal plane? I found one involving, m, g , I, l and s but I am not sure if it is correct. I want to do an experiment to determine the moment of Inertia of the rod.
 

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