Dark Energy Explained: Evidence & Meaning

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The discussion revolves around the concept of dark energy, its implications in cosmology, and the evidence supporting its existence. Participants explore various aspects of dark energy, including its relationship to gravitational theories and its role in the universe's expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether dark energy is similar to the relationship between protons and anti-protons.
  • Another participant explains that the standard model of gravitation and cosmology requires dark energy to account for observations, citing issues with general relativity and the discovery of distant Type Ia supernovae.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the nature of dark energy, suggesting it may be a construct to make existing theories coherent.
  • There is a suggestion that a more appropriate term for dark energy might be "dark gravity," as energy is generally viewed as a consistent concept.
  • One participant mentions the historical context of particle invention in physics, comparing dark energy to the neutrino's introduction to resolve issues in beta decay.
  • A participant references a NASA link discussing dark energy and its elusive nature.
  • Another participant notes that the term "dark" refers to the difficulty in observing dark energy directly.
  • There is a question about whether dark energy could be related to zero-point energy (ZPE).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of curiosity and skepticism regarding dark energy, with no consensus on its nature or implications. Some agree on the necessity of dark energy in current cosmological models, while others challenge its conceptual validity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations in understanding dark energy, including its definition and the unresolved nature of related concepts in cosmology.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring cosmology, theoretical physics, and the ongoing debates surrounding dark energy and its implications in the universe.

The_Thinker
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It's a very simple question i guess, what is dark energy? Is it like that proton and anti proton thing where the anti-proton contains dark energy or something like that? I read recently that they had found evidence of dark energy, what is it, what is the evidence, how did they find it and what does it all mean? Could someone clear all of that for me?
 
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The standard model of gravitation, GR, and its cosmological model, LCDM, require the existence of Dark Energy to fit cosmological observations.

In the 1970's it was realized that there were three problems with GR, the horizon problem, the density problem and the smoothness problem. Guth discovered the theory of Inflation by studying the effect of the Higgs scalar field on the early universe. The universe is believed to have exponentially expanded at an enormous rate to 10^60 times its previous size at about 10^-33 second after the Big Bang. This sudden inflation solved the three problems but required the universe to have a density equal, pretty well, to the critical density at which the space-time of the universe is flat.

However it seemed that not enough mass was around, only about 2-4% of that required. Dark Matter was invented, some sort of exotic particle that has not been discovered and this also helped to explain why galaxies and their clusters were revolving at too high a rate for the matter that could be seen. However even with DM not enough mass was around, only about 30% that required.

Next distant Type Ia supernovae were discovered to be fainter than theory said they should be. To explain this it seems as though the universe has accelerated in its expansion against the normal expectation that it slows down because of the gravitational attraction of one galaxy on another.

Finally the WMAP satellite looking at the fluctuations in the microwave background discovered the universe was flat after all. These were the major observations and there are several other minor ones. To make up the difference between matter, dark matter and the density needed to make the universe flat dark energy was invented, and perhaps it can explain why the universe is accelerating as well!


If you don't know what it is, don't worry, nobody does! We don't know what dark matter is either and Inflation requires a 'Higgs boson' fundamental particle that hasn't been discovered. So make of that what you will. Some say there are other explanations for these observations but the cosmological community is very sure that they all do exist and they are known with "precision". (4% matter, 23% dark matter and 73% dark energy)


So the LCDM model is robustly established, or so we think, and yet we have not the slightest idea what 96% of the universe is. That is the state of cosmology at the beginning of the 21st century!

Garth
 
Hey, thanks grath for clearing that up for me. You know, that's what i like about physics, like one eminent scientist once said (forgot the name) "we all agree your idea is crazy, but is it crazy enough to work?" ;)
 
The_Thinker said:
Hey, thanks grath for clearing that up for me. You know, that's what i like about physics, like one eminent scientist once said (forgot the name) "we all agree your idea is crazy, but is it crazy enough to work?" ;)

Ha ha, that's great. Ehh... Are dark energy and the normal energy different?
 
I believe the name is misleading, energy is energy, the ability to work is the same no matter what. A better name for it would be Dark Gravity.
 
Its something physicists made up so that their theories would make sense. :)
 
Ubern0va said:
Its something physicists made up so that their theories would make sense. :)

Yep, that happens a lot, isn't gravity propartional to mass? Why's there so much more "dark gravity" than mass?
 
Ubern0va said:
Its something physicists made up so that their theories would make sense. :)

Thats how the neutrino came to be 'invented'. As Beta decay seemed to break conservation laws, a massless, non-reacting particle was called into solve the problem - the neutrino! It, of course, has since been detected...
 
see this link:
http://universe.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/darkenergy.html
 
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the dark bit only comes into it because its difficult to "see"
 
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NASA site's
even the emptiest possible space, devoid of matter and radiation, might still have a dark energy
Is this ZPE?
 
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The_Thinker said:
Hey, thanks grath for clearing that up for me. You know, that's what i like about physics, like one eminent scientist once said (forgot the name) "we all agree your idea is crazy, but is it crazy enough to work?" ;)
Indeed, 'grath' is rather familiar with these matters. FYI, the version of that quote I am familiar with"

"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true."
- Niels Bohr (to a young physicist)
 

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