Electrical Data Communications

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the best way to conceptualize data transmission through a modem over a telephone line, focusing on whether to view it as changing voltage over time or as moving electrical signals. The scope includes theoretical perspectives on networking and electrical signal propagation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose viewing data as changing voltage in terms of time, while others suggest considering it as moving electrical signals.
  • One participant mentions that both perspectives can be valid, assuming the phone line is modeled as a transmission line.
  • A question is raised about whether electrical signals are 'waves' that propagate through a cable or if they set the voltage along the length of the cable.
  • Another participant notes that modem data is encoded on a carrier with modulation in both frequency and amplitude, and mentions that older modems used frequency modulation.
  • There is a suggestion that it might be more appropriate to think of a phone connection in terms of current rather than voltage.
  • A participant expresses confusion about electrical details and suggests that theorists in computer networking may provide contradictory or incomplete explanations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best way to conceptualize data transmission, with multiple competing views remaining regarding the nature of electrical signals and their propagation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the models of data transmission and the definitions of terms like 'waves' and 'current' in this context.

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What is the best way of viewing data sent by a modem through a telephone line: as a changing voltage in terms of time or as moving electrical signals? In my Networking course exchanged bits, bytes, and packets, are portrayed as waves (current changing with distance) that propagate through the wires.
 
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ramollari said:
What is the best way of viewing data sent by a modem through a telephone line: as a changing voltage in terms of time or as moving electrical signals? In my Networking course exchanged bits, bytes, and packets, are portrayed as waves (of changing current) that propagate through the wires.

You can do either one. I assume the intent is to model the phone line as a transmission line.
 
Well, are the electrical signals 'waves'? Do they propagate from one point to another in a long cable or set the voltage throughout its length?
 
ramollari said:
Well, are the electrical signals 'waves'? Do they propagate from one point to another in a long cable or set the voltage throughout its length?
Modem data is encoded on a carrier. The modulation is both in frequency and amplitude. Old modems just used frequency modulation.

As far as your phone connection being a "long" cable, most likely not.
Often it is digitized then reassembled near the destination.

Also it is probably better to think of a phone connection in terms of current rather than voltage.
 
Yeah now I have a better view of how it works. But I've been confused a lot about the electrical details and I bet that most theorists on computer networking provide contradictory or incomplete explanations, which they don't understand very well themselves.
 

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