Proving the Sequence: 1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + ... + n^3 = \frac{n^2(n+1)^2}{4}

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the formula for the sum of cubes of the first n natural numbers, specifically the equality 1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + ... + n^3 = \frac{n^2(n+1)^2}{4}. Participants explore the method of mathematical induction and express differing views on the validity of the proof presented in a textbook.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses disagreement with the textbook's method of proof, suggesting that it relies on an assumption that may not be justified.
  • Another participant questions the objection raised, arguing that the right-hand side of the equality is validly derived from the assumption that the formula holds for k.
  • A different participant points out the necessity of verifying the base case (k=1) in the induction process, which they believe is a critical oversight in the initial argument.
  • One participant acknowledges their lack of understanding of inductive proofs and indicates a willingness to learn more about the topic.
  • Another participant reflects on their initial thoughts about the proof, admitting they had not considered the proof structure before.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the proof method. There are competing views regarding the assumptions made in the proof and the necessity of establishing a base case in mathematical induction.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of proving the formula for small values, such as k=1, as a foundational step in the inductive proof process. There is also mention of potential gaps in understanding the principles of mathematical induction among some participants.

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I am writing the exact problem.

1. Prove that for all natural numbers n the following equality is satisfied:

[tex]1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + ... + n^3 = \frac{n^2(n+1)^2}{4}[/tex]

I am doing the exact method they used in the book, which I don't entirely agree on.

My answer is different than the one in the back of the book, but they come to the same conclusion.

Let n = k + 1,

[tex]\frac{(k+1)^2(k+1+1)^2}{4} = \frac{k^4+6k^3+13k^3+12k+4}{4} = \frac{k^2(k+1)^2}{4} + (k+1)^3[/tex]

Since, [itex]\frac{k^2(k+1)^2}{4}[/itex] is true by our assumption then adding [itex](k+1)^3[/itex] does not change the solution when n = k + 1.

I left some of the calculations out so I don't have to waste an hour doing tex, but I don't think there is any mistakes in it.

Obviously, if you test it, it is right.

Does that constitute as a proof?

I don't agree with the way they do it because they are assuming that there assumption is true. I really don't know.

Any comments?
 
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So, what you're objecting to is their expansion of what ought to be the (k+1)-sum?
 
I can't really agrree to the objection:
They are using the "k-true" assumption on their right-hand side of an equality.
By noting therefore that the right-hand side is nothing but the k+1-sum, they've proven the induction step in an admittedly roundabout, but, IMO, valid way.

There is NO assumption lying in expanding the ("arbitrarily chosen" ) expression on the left-hand side!
 
JasonRox, do you know how inductive proofs work ?
 
The problem here, I feel, is that Jason Rox left out a very, very important fact: he failed to consider proving the formula for a small value, here k=1. I think that is why he does not see the induction. For k=1, the formula gives:

[tex]1^3=1=\frac{1^2*2^2}{4}[/tex]

If it is true for k it is also true for k+1, and it is shown true for 1; thus since it is true for k=1, so it is also true for k+1 = 2, and if it is true for k=2 then it is true for k=3, and so on and so on.
 
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that it works for k=1.

I understand why that is necessary. If it didn't work for one, then it wouldn't work for all natural numbers u_n if u_1 + u_2 + ... + u_n.

Note for Gokul: I have no clue how inductive proofs work. I'll make a note to read about it in one of my books.
 
JasonRox said:
Note for Gokul: I have no clue how inductive proofs work. I'll make a note to read about it in one of my books.
robert Ihnot said:
If it is true for k it is also true for k+1, and it is shown true for 1; thus since it is true for k=1, so it is also true for k+1 = 2, and if it is true for k=2 then it is true for k=3, and so on and so on.

... :wink:
 
devious_ said:
... :wink:

I thought about it in that fashion, but I just didn't think it was enough.

It makes sense if you think about it. I haven't done proofs in this fashion before.
 

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