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Where is potential energy in relativistic formula of energy?

by ndung200790
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ndung200790
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Jul24-11, 10:04 AM
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Please teach me this:
The relativistic energy E=m.square(c)/squareroot(1-square(v)/square(c)) is determined by momentum p(because of ''square''(4-p)=square(m)).Then what is the role of potential in relativistic energy?When we consider the interaction between particles,how can we express the kinetic energy plus potential energy in the same formula?
Thank you very much in advance.
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Jul24-11, 05:05 PM
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Quote Quote by ndung200790 View Post
Please teach me this:
The relativistic energy E=m.square(c)/squareroot(1-square(v)/square(c)) is determined by momentum p(because of ''square''(4-p)=square(m)).Then what is the role of potential in relativistic energy?When we consider the interaction between particles,how can we express the kinetic energy plus potential energy in the same formula?
Thank you very much in advance.
The question has to be more specific: what kind of force? Because if it is gravity, you need to do some GR and it's not exactly a potential anymore. If it's EM, the potential is a 4-vector: [itex](\phi, \mathbf{A})[/itex], where [itex]\phi[/itex] is the scalar potential and [itex]\mathbf{A}[/itex] the vector potential. The Hamiltonian in this case is:
[tex]H = \sqrt{m^2 c^4 + \left(\mathbf{p} - e\mathbf{A}\right)^2 c^2} + e\phi[/tex]

inottoe
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Jul24-11, 07:22 PM
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Where is potential energy in relativistic formula of energy?

If it's gravity, then both potential and kinetic energy are generalised as (letting c=1):
[itex]-m\frac{d\tau}{dt}[/itex]
where
[itex]d\tau^2=g_{\mu\nu}dx^{\mu}dx^{\nu}[/itex]
We can see this clearly when we assume spherical symmetry and consider the Newtonian limit:
[itex]-m\frac{d\tau}{dt}=-m\sqrt{\frac{g_{tt}dt^2+g_{mm}(dx^m)^2}{dt^2}}[/itex]
[itex]=-m\sqrt{g_{tt}-\dot{x}^2}[/itex]
[itex]=-m\sqrt{1-\frac{2GM}{r}-\dot{x}^2}[/itex]
[itex]\approx-m+\frac{GMm}{r}+\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2[/itex]
And given that the action in a gravity well is
[itex]-m\int{d\tau}=0[/itex]
then we recover the non-relativistic
[itex]E=\Delta{U}+KE[/itex]


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