Proving ST=I and TS=I: Finite Dimensionality of V and L(V)

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The discussion revolves around proving the relationship between the operators S and T in the context of linear transformations on a finite-dimensional vector space V, specifically addressing the conditions under which ST=I implies TS=I and vice versa.

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  • Participants explore the implications of ST=I and TS=I, questioning the injectivity of the operators S and T based on the definitions of their null spaces and ranges. There is a focus on whether the original poster has sufficiently proven that S is injective.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original proof attempts and raising questions about the validity of the conclusions drawn regarding the injectivity of S and T. Some participants suggest that the original poster's reasoning may not fully establish the necessary conditions for injectivity.

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There is an ongoing examination of the definitions of null spaces and ranges, particularly in the context of finite-dimensional spaces, which may influence the conclusions about the operators involved.

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Hi I was wondering if someone could tell me if this is a valid proof for this question.

Suppose that V is finite dimensional and S,T elements of L(V). Prove that ST=I if and only if TS=I.


Assume ST=I. Let v be an element of V, such that Tv is an element of null S. v=Iv=STv=S(Tv)=0. Since V is finite dimensional S must be invertible since it is injective. Thus if ST=I then TS=I.

Assume TS=I. Let v' be an element of V such that Sv' is in the null space of T. v'=Iv'=TSv'=0. SInce V is finite dimensional T must be invertible since it is injective. Thus if TS=I then ST=I.

Therefore ST=I if and only if TS=I.
 
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Have you proven S is injective? If S(v) = 0 only if v = 0, then it's injective. Have you proven that null(S) = {0}, or just shown that the only v in V such that T(v) is in null(S) is 0? You've shown that R(T) intersect N(S) = {0}, not that N(S) = {0}, as far as I can tell.
 
You were on the right track I believe:

ST(v) = v. If v is not zero, then T(v) cannot be in null S, and so T(v) is not zero (since zero is in null S) if v is not zero. So it is T which is injective, which is thus invertible, so:

ST = I
TSTT' = TIT' (where T' is the inverse of T)
TS = I

The converse proof is similar. So, I think you had it right except on the first line you concluded that S was injective, when it should have been that T was injective, and vice versa for the second line. Maybe I'm wrong and your first line also proves that S is injective, but as far as I can see, it only proves that T is, not S.
 
Assume ST=I. Let v be an element of V, such that Tv is an element of null S. v=Iv=STv=S(Tv)=0

Doesn't This line prove that null S is ={0}? STv=0 only if v=0. Thus Tv=T(0)=0. STv=S(0)=0. so the only Tv that are in null S is the 0 vector, so S must be injective.
 
I don't think that's true in general. Like I said, all you've proven is that "the only Tv that are in null S is the 0 vector", but there might be some vectors x such that S(x) = 0, but there is no v such that T(v) = x. In other words, it's like I said, you've proven that N(S) intersection R(T) = {0}, where N(S) is the null space of S, and R(T) is the range of T. Say, for example, V = R² and S and T were both the projection onto the x-axis. Then the null space of S would be all the points on the the y-axis, but the only element in the range of T which is in the null space of S (i.e. which is on the y-axis) is the origin, since only the origin is both on the x-axis (in the range of T) and on the y-axis (in the null space of T). So the only Tv that are in null S is the zero vector, i.e. R(T) intersect N(S) = {0}, but null S includes more than just the zero vector, and S is not injective.
 

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