What values of x make this series converge?

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of x for which the series \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^n}{3^n}\) converges. Participants explore the properties of geometric series and the conditions for convergence, including the application of the geometric series sum formula.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the problem statement, questioning whether it asks to find the sum and set x equal to it.
  • Another participant notes the requirement for the common ratio \(r\) to be less than 1 for convergence, suggesting that this leads to the condition \(0 < x < 3\) or \(0 \leq x < 3\).
  • Several participants confirm the identification of the series as geometric, with \(r = \frac{x}{3}\).
  • There is a discussion about the absolute value condition for convergence, with one participant suggesting to set the equation equal to 1.
  • Another participant clarifies that the series converges for \(|r| < 1\), leading to the conclusion that \(x < 3\).
  • One participant expresses excitement about finding \(x < 3\) as a potential answer, while another confirms the condition as \(|x| < 3\).
  • A later reply introduces the concept of the radius of convergence and the ratio test, explaining how it applies to the series in question.
  • One participant questions the accuracy of a mathematical expression provided in the discussion, suggesting a possible error in LaTeX formatting.

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Participants generally agree on the condition for convergence being related to the absolute value of the ratio \(r\), specifically that \(|x| < 3\). However, there is no explicit consensus on the final interpretation of the problem or the next steps to take.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the problem's requirements and the steps needed to find the values of x. There are also unresolved questions regarding the application of the ratio test and the implications of the radius of convergence.

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Understanding series?

The question in the book states Find the values of x for which the series converges, Find the sum of the series for those valuese of x

this is the series [tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^n}{3^n}[/tex]

first of all I don't even really understand what its saying, is it saying find the sum and set x equal to it.? The first thing I did was write out the first few terms [tex][\frac{x}{3}],[\frac{x^2}{9}],[\frac{x^3}{27}][/tex] so this thing is geometric and [tex]a=\frac{x}{3}[/tex] with the ratio [tex]r=\frac{x}{3}[/tex] am I assuming that that the ratio is less than one b/c if not you can't even go anyfurther can you? well anyway after that by using the [tex]\frac{a}{1-r}[/tex] theorem I get [tex]\frac{x}{3-x}[/tex] where do I go from here? I am pretty confused :confused: If this was a series with real numerical values I would have been done with the question b/c I have already fournd the sum...but what next...should there be another function that I set this equal to to get the "values of x" that the book wants
 
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I unfortunately haven't done series for a couple years, but I definitely know that r<1 in order for the series to converge, which would lead me to believe that 0<x<3 maybe? or 0 < or = x < 3 ?

I guess from there you would have x^n/3^n = (x/3)^n, where you could then apply your summation of geometric series rule, where r = x/3 (given any x in the interval defined above), and a_0 = x/3. So,

(x/3)/ [1-(x/3)] = x/(3-x), for x >/= 0, x<3. Maybe?
 
You correctly recognized it as a geometric series.

For which values of r does [itex]\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}r^n[/itex] converge?
 
those whose absolute values are less then one...should i set my equation equal to 1?
 
You know a geometric series converges for |r|<1.
You also identified your series as a geometric series with [itex]r=\frac{x}{3}[/itex].

If the series converges for [itex]|r|<1[/itex] and [itex]r=\frac{x}{3}[/itex] for what values of x does the series converge?
 
for [tex]\frac{x}{3}<1[/tex] i don't know how to put in the absoulute value signs so imagine that fraction has an abs sign :redface: and that comes out to be [tex]x<3[/tex] :smile: Yippy! is that my answer? Seems to be correct :rolleyes:
 
Yep :smile:
Since [itex]|r|=|\frac{x}{3}|[/itex]
[tex]|r|<1 \iff |x/3|<1 \iff |x|<3[/tex]

I just use pipelines for absolute values. (shift+backslash)
 
It's relatively easy to show that any power series (i.e. anything of the form [itex]\Sigma a_n x^n[/itex]) has a "radius of convergence": a number r such that the series converges absolutely for |x| < r, diverges for |x|> r and may or may not converge for |x|= r. Often the simplest way to find the radius of convergence is to use the "ratio test"- a series [itex]\Sigma a_n[/itex] converges if [itex]lim\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}< 1[/itex] and diverges if that limit is larger than 1.

In this particular example, [itex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^n}{3^n}[/itex], the ratio becomes [itex]\frac{|x^{n+1}|}{3^{n+1}}\frac{3^n}{|x^n|}= \frac{|x|}{3}[/itex]. The series converges if [itex]\frac{|x|}{3}< 1[/itex] or |x|< 3. Of course, as was pointed out before, this is really a geometric series.

Another example might be [itex]\Sigma\frac{x^n}{n}[/itex]. Now the ratio becomes [itex]\frac{|x^{n+1}|}{n+1}\frac{n}{|x^n|}= \frac{n||x}{n+1}[/itex]. The limit of that as n goes to infinity is just |x| so we must have |x|< 1. The radius of convergence is 1.
 
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[tex]\frac{|x^{n+1}|}{n+1}\frac{n}{|x^n|}= \frac{n|x|}{n+1}[/tex]

is that what you ment? I think your latex was wrong
 

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