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The discussion revolves around balancing a redox reaction involving iodate and bisulfite ions. Participants explore the steps necessary to balance the reaction, including determining oxidation states and the transfer of electrons. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning related to redox processes.

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  • Fred presents a redox reaction and seeks assistance in balancing it.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of correctly identifying oxidation states for all atoms involved.
  • One participant suggests balancing electrons and H+ ions before combining half-reactions.
  • Another participant proposes writing ions in their plain ionic form to clarify electron transfer.
  • Fred expresses uncertainty about the correctness of his steps and seeks confirmation.
  • Some participants challenge Fred's understanding of where to place electrons in half-reactions.
  • There are corrections regarding the oxidation states of sulfur in bisulfite and sulfate ions.
  • Participants suggest re-evaluating oxidation numbers and provide alternative half-reaction forms.

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Participants do not reach consensus on the correct balancing of the redox reaction, with multiple competing views on the placement of electrons and the calculation of oxidation states remaining unresolved.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of oxidation states and the placement of electrons in half-reactions, as well as the need for clarity on the steps involved in balancing redox reactions.

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Hi

I got the following redox-process:

[itex]IO_3^{-} (aq) + HSO_3^{-}(aq) \rightarrow I_2(aq) + SO_4^{2-}(aq)[/itex]

How do I balance it?

Any hits will be apriciated :)

Sincerely

Fred
 
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It is not hard, provided that you correctly find the oxidation states of all atoms involved in the process. You can easily assume that hydrogen is almost always 1+, while oxygen is almost 2-. The remaining atoms are the ones involved in the redox reaction.

In iodate, as oxygen is 2- and the total charge is 1-, you can calculate iodine's oxidation state. Do the same for iodine, bisulfite, and sulfate. Find how many electrons are exchanged between atoms.

Show your work, and we'll go on from there.
 
chem_tr said:
It is not hard, provided that you correctly find the oxidation states of all atoms involved in the process. You can easily assume that hydrogen is almost always 1+, while oxygen is almost 2-. The remaining atoms are the ones involved in the redox reaction.

In iodate, as oxygen is 2- and the total charge is 1-, you can calculate iodine's oxidation state. Do the same for iodine, bisulfite, and sulfate. Find how many electrons are exchanged between atoms.

Show your work, and we'll go on from there.

Hi

Here is what I have been able to come up as far:


[itex]IO_3^{-} (aq) + HSO_{3}^{-}(aq) \rightarrow I_{2}(aq) + SO_4^{2-}(aq)[/itex]

Step1.

[itex]IO_3^{-} \rightarrow I_2[/itex]

[itex]HSO_3^{-} \rightarrow SO_4^{2-}[/itex]

Step2.
[itex]IO_3^{-} + 4H^{+} \rightarrow I_{2} + 2H_2O[/itex]
[itex]HSO_3^{-} + H_2 O \rightarrow SO_4^{2-} + 3H^+[/itex]

Step3.

[itex]IO_3^{-} + 4H^{+} + 4e^{-} \rightarrow I_2 + 2H_2O[/itex]
[itex]HSO_3^{-} + H_2O \rightarrow SO_4^{2-} + 3H^{+} + 3e^{-}[/itex]

From here I'm stuck. How do I proceed?

/Fred
 
Now just balance the e- and H+ ions and add the two reactions together.
 
Then what I have done until now is correct?

/Fred

so-crates said:
Now just balance the e- and H+ ions and add the two reactions together.
 
So-crates is right, maybe you can try one additional step before writing the actual ions: Write them in their plain ionic type (like I5+ and I0) to see how many electrons are leaving exactly. Then convert them to the actual ions.

[tex]I^{5+} +5e^-\longrightarrow I^0[/tex]

As you know that I5+ is IO3-, you can write it now. But iodine is diatomic, so ten electrons must be processed:

[tex]2IO_3^- + 10e^- \longrightarrow I_2[/tex]

Now that we balanced the electrons, only atomic balance is left to complete this half redox reaction. Reaction proceeds in acidic medium, so we must include H+ on the left side; as oxygen is no longer present in the right side, and we put H+, you can easily conclude that water will be present on the right side:

[tex]2IO_3^-+10e^-+12H^+\longrightarrow I_2+6H_2O[/tex]

At last, you must be sure that both electrons and atoms are balanced. Do the same for bisulfate-sulfate redox and show your work.
 
chem_tr said:
So-crates is right, maybe you can try one additional step before writing the actual ions: Write them in their plain ionic type (like I5+ and I0) to see how many electrons are leaving exactly. Then convert them to the actual ions.

[tex]I^{5+} +5e^-\longrightarrow I^0[/tex]

As you know that I5+ is IO3-, you can write it now. But iodine is diatomic, so ten electrons must be processed:

[tex]2IO_3^- + 10e^- \longrightarrow I_2[/tex]

Now that we balanced the electrons, only atomic balance is left to complete this half redox reaction. Reaction proceeds in acidic medium, so we must include H+ on the left side; as oxygen is no longer present in the right side, and we put H+, you can easily conclude that water will be present on the right side:

[tex]2IO_3^-+10e^-+12H^+\longrightarrow I_2+6H_2O[/tex]

At last, you must be sure that both electrons and atoms are balanced. Do the same for bisulfate-sulfate redox and show your work.

Hi

I guess the second reaction must then be:

[itex]HSO_3^- \rightarrow SO_4^{2-}[/itex]

[itex]S^{5+} + 5e^- \rightarrow S^{4+} + 4e^-[/itex]


[itex]HSO_3^{-} + 5e^- \rightarrow SO_4^{2-} + 4e^-[/itex]

Correct?

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely
Fred
 
I'm afraid these are incorrect; in redox reactions, you place the electrons in one side, not two. If an ion is to be reduced, electrons go into this ion, so electrons are included in the left side of half reaction. The same can be said for oxidations, you write the electron(s) on the right side.

It seems that you have not determined the oxidation states correctly. Take oxygen 2- and hydrogen 1+ and recalculate.

If I understand it correctly, you first convert the ion to be oxidized into its neutral state by reduction, then oxidize. This is not logical, subtracting just two electrons are enough.
 
Recheck the oxidation number of S in the bisulfite!
 
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pack_rat2 said:
Recheck the oxidation number of S in the bisulfite!

Thanks for Your answer.

Then the correct balance must be since its an oxidation:

[itex]H_{2}O + HSO_{3}^{-} \rightarrow SO_{4}^{2-} + 3H+[/itex]

But why isn't the oxdidation number for [itex]HSO_{3}^{-}[/itex] 5 since Sulphur is group number 6 and the as You write the oxidation number for O is -2 and for Hydrogen 1 ?

/Fred
 
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Your redox is incorrect again :smile:

If this is an oxidation, where is your electron? The correct one should be like this:

[tex]H_2O + HSO_3^- \longrightarrow H_2SO_4 + 2e^- + H^+[/tex]

In bisulfite, put 1+ for hydrogen, and 2- for oxygen. You will find 4+ for sulfite sulfur. Do the same thing for sulfate to find 6+. Two electrons must leave bisulfite ion.
 
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Suggestion: Determine the oxidation number for each element that is oxidized or reduced, ie, S and I. Remember that O is (almost) always -2 and H is (almost) always +1. Then write the half-reactions for those elements...don't bother including H and O in them.
 

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