Outer product of two one forms.

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The discussion revolves around the outer product of two one forms, specifically f = (1,1,0,0) and g = (-1,0,1,0). Participants seek clarification on the nature of the outer product, whether it refers to the wedge product or the tensor product, and how to compute the components of this operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether the "outer product" refers to the wedge product or the tensor product.
  • One participant references Wikipedia to support the idea that the outer product is the wedge product, providing a formula for anti-symmetrizing the tensor product.
  • Another participant asserts that the outer product is indeed the tensor product and provides a notation to clarify the operation.
  • Details are given on how to compute the tensor product in component notation for rank 1 tensors, illustrating the multiplication of components.
  • There is a suggestion that the components of the resulting tensor from the tensor product can be expressed in terms of the components of the original one forms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the outer product should be interpreted as the wedge product or the tensor product, indicating a disagreement on the terminology and definitions used in this context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in the term "outer product" and its dependence on the definitions of wedge and tensor products, which may vary in different contexts.

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Given two one forms f = (1,1,0,0,) and g=(-1,0,1,0): what are the components of f(x)g ... would appreciate any help.
 
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Outer Product of two One Forms

Given two one forms f = (1,1,0,0) and g = (-1,0,1,0):
What would be the Components of f(outer product)g be?
would appreciate any help.
 
I'm not quite sure if the "outer product" is the wedge product or the tensor product. Wikipedia seems to think it's the former. See

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The wedge product of u ^ v is

u (tensor) v - v (tensor) u

The intent here is to anti-symmetrize the tensor product, The formula above works as written only for rank 1 tensors (but that's what you have).

The tensor product p = u (tensor) v in component notation for rank 1 tensors is:

pij = uivj

Thus (1,2,3) (tensor) (4,5,6) is the second rank tensor (you can think of it as an array)

1*4 ,1*5, 1*6
2*4, 2*5, 2*6
3*4, 3*5, 3*6

Hope this helps
 
pervect said:
I'm not quite sure if the "outer product" is the wedge product or the tensor product.

Yes. Its the tensor product.

Let "@" be the tensor product and let f = f_u w^v where f_u are components of f and w^u are a coordinate basis 1-forms. Same with g. Then let h = f@g. Then

h = (f_u e^u)@(g_u v e^v) = f_u g_v (w^u@w^v)

Therefore f_u g_v are the components of f@g. w^u@w^v are the covariant basis tensors for the outer product.

Pete
 

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