Help with Friction and Newtons laws

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems involving forces, friction, and motion. The first problem concerns a sled coasting down a hill and coming to rest on a flat surface, while the second problem involves a person pushing a book against a wall, analyzing the forces at play to keep the book motionless.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the sled problem using free body diagrams and net forces but expresses uncertainty about the next steps. Participants question the calculation of the friction force and suggest using kinematic equations to find the distance traveled. In the second problem, the original poster describes their free body diagram and seeks guidance on how to approach the problem, while others provide insights into the forces acting on the book.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering clarifications and suggestions. There is a mix of attempts to solve the first problem and inquiries about the second problem's setup. No consensus has been reached, but constructive dialogue is ongoing.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of friction and forces, with some expressing difficulty in handling variables and the relationships between them. The original poster's mention of needing to express answers in terms of specific variables indicates constraints in their understanding of the problem setup.

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I have this physics problem that has simply been driving me crazy...heres the problem:
Jenn coasts down the hill on a sled, reaching the bottom with a speed of 7.0m/s. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the sled's runners and the snow is .05, Jenn has a mass of 62 kg, and the sled has a mass of 3.82 kg. How far do Jenn and the sled travel on the flat surface at the bottom of the hill before coming to rest?
first i set up my diagram
and i set the positives to be down (with gravity) and the direction the sled is going.
then i set up my free body diagram which has mg going down, normal force up, the force of the motion going in the direction of the thread, and kinetic force opposing the motion.
Then i added up the masses and got a total of 65.82kg. Then i continued to find my net forces which i got
Fy = mg - Fn (normal) = ma = 0
and
Fx = Fm (motion w/ the sled) - Fk.
Since i know mg = 645.04 i plugged that in.
Then i know that Fk = mue * mg so i got that Fk = .05.
From here i don't know where to go. Help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks a ton!
 
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"Then i know that Fk = mue * mg so i got that Fk = .05."

How in the world did you get that? mu itself (the coefficient of friction) is 0.05.
The friction force (which is the only force on the sled) is 0.05*645.04 and is negative since it is taken back opposite to the direction of motion.
Once you know the force, F= ma gives you acceleration.

The initial speed was 7.0 m/s so the speed at any time t is v(t)= 7- at (where a is the acceleration found above. I included the "negative" explicitely here so a is positive). The sled stops when v(t)= 7- at= 0, of course, so you can find the time until it stops.

You know, I presume, that for any acceleration a and initial speed v0, the distance moved is given by x(t)= -(a/2)t2+ v0t (a is the acceleration, again taken positive, and v0 is the intial speed, which was 7).
Since you solved the equation above for the time t until the sled stopped, you can plug it in here and find the distance the sled moved in that time.
 
hey! Thanks a billion i did that! i came out with an answer of 50 meters...is that what you got? Also, i have another problem, which I'm finding more difficult-
The Problem:
Philip pushes a book up against a wall, holding the book motionless. Given that Philip is pushing with a force P at an angle z, the coefficient of static friction betweeen the book and the wall is h, and that the book has a mass m, find the magnitude of the force Pp such that the book is motionless.

What i did:
I set up my free body diagram, which is Fn (normal force) to the left, mg down, and Fp to the south west (at my angle of z) from here i am completely lost...how would you begin to tackle this problem...
The answer must be in terms of h, z, m, or using sin cos, tan, etc.

I'm not very good when it comes to variables so that's part of the problem...What would you do? Is my free body diagram correct?
 
1) The normal force from the wall must balance the normal component of P; otherwise, the book would be pushed into the wall.
2) The forces in the vertical direction must also sum to zero..
 
so are you saying that there would only be three forces affecting the book, P, mh down, and the wall into the book? If this is the case, would the force pushing into the wall be Fn (normal force?)
 

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