What is the Relationship Between Mu and Theta in the Inclined Plane Problem?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the coefficient of friction (μ) and the angle of inclination (θ) in an inclined plane problem. Participants are analyzing forces acting on an object on the ramp, including gravitational force, normal force, friction, and an applied pulling force.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the balance of forces along the inclined plane and deriving relationships between μ and θ. Questions have been raised about the conclusions drawn from derivatives and the nature of extrema in the context of the problem.

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The discussion is active, with participants challenging each other's reasoning regarding the nature of maximum and minimum values related to the derived equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the derivative results on the relationship between μ and θ.

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Some participants express confusion over the distinction between maximum and minimum values in the context of extrema, indicating a need for clarification on definitions and implications in the problem setup.

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i chose d

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tricky_tick said:
can you please explain how you arrived at that conclusion?

You have four forces. Suppose the x-acis is along the ramp and the force F for pulling the object is aligned along this x-axis. Y-axis perpendicular to x-axis.

gravity
[tex]-mg\sin(\theta)*e_{x} - mg\cos(\theta)*e_{y}[/tex]

normal force
[tex]N * e_{y}[/tex]

friction
[tex]-{\mu}N*e_{x}[/tex]

pull-force
[tex]F*e_{x}[/tex]

The sum of y-componets yield :

[tex]N = mg\cos(\theta)[/tex]

The sum of x-componets yield :

[tex]-{\mu}N -mg\sin(\theta) + F = 0[/tex]

So we have that [tex]F = {\mu}mg\cos(\theta) + mg\sin(\theta)[/tex]

or [tex]F = mg(\mu\cos(\theta) + \sin(\theta))[/tex]

let's take the derivative with respect to the angle theta and set this equal to 0. Thus we get :

[tex]0 = mg(-{\mu}\sin(\theta) + \cos(\theta))[/tex]
or
[tex]0 =-{\mu}\sin(\theta) + \cos(\theta)[/tex]

or
[tex]\mu = \frac {\cos(\theta)}{\sin(\theta)} = \cot(\theta)[/tex]
Thus [tex]\tan(\theta) = \frac {1}{\mu}[/tex]

marlon.
 
Answer d yields a maximum value of Work. We are looking for a minimum value.
 
tricky_tick said:
Answer d yields a maximum value of Work. We are looking for a minimum value.

please prove your statement...

marlon
 
marlon said:
please prove your statement...

marlon

Besides i disagree because the first derivative is zero in [tex]\mu = \cot(\theta)[/tex]

Yet if [tex]\mu > \cot(\theta)[/tex] then thefirst derivative is negative
Yet if [tex]\mu < \cot(\theta)[/tex] then the first derivative is positive

So the mu corrsponds to a minimal value here. You are mixing extrema with maxima. An extremum is a general name for both local max and min values of a function
marlon
 

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