Calculating Vertical Velocity: Derivatives and Rates of a Waterskier on a Ramp

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving derivatives and rates related to a waterskier ascending a ramp. The ramp is described as a right triangle with specific dimensions, and the skier's speed is given as 30 ft/s. Participants are exploring how to determine the vertical velocity of the skier as she leaves the ramp.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the problem by considering the skier's speed relative to both the x-axis and the hypotenuse. They express confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the speed and the resulting calculations for vertical velocity.
  • Some participants suggest considering the skier's speed in relation to the hypotenuse and propose a method to determine the vertical speed based on the time taken to travel the ramp's length.
  • Others mention a vectorial approach, suggesting that the problem can be simplified by breaking down the velocity into components.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have offered guidance on how to approach the problem from various angles, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or interpretation yet.

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Participants are questioning the assumptions regarding the skier's speed and its relation to the axes, as well as the implications of using different axes for calculations. There is also mention of the need for clarity in the chosen approach to ensure accurate reasoning.

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I'm having some trouble with a few problems involving derivatives and rates. Here's one of the ones that is confusing me:

A waterskier skis over the ramp shown in the figure at a speed of 30ft/s. How fast is she rising as she leaves the ramp?

The ramp is a right triangle facing the waterskier so that they can go up it, with sides of (assume y is the vertical axis, x is horizontal, z is hypotenuse) x = 15ft, y = 4ft, and by the pythagorean theorem, z = [tex]\sqrt{241}[/tex]

The first problem I was having here, is whether or not the speed given is relative to the x axis, or the z axis? I would think generally the x axis, but the problem states "over the ramp". Also, when doing the problem for the speed given on the x-axis I got a negative number for dy/dt. When doing it given on the z axis I get about 116ft/s, which seems too fast.

Assuming it's on the x I set it up like so (I wasn't sure if I should use z^2, but I don't know what dz/dt is so I didn't...):

[tex]x^2 + y^2 = \sqrt{241}[/tex]

[tex]2x \frac{dx}{dt} + 2y \frac{dy}{dt} = 0[/tex]

[tex]900 + 8 \frac{dy}{dt} = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{-225}{2}[/tex]

Which doesn't make any sense. Where am I going wrong here?
 
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Assume that the boat pulling the skier is traveling at 30 ft/sec as the skier starts up the ramp and the boat is traveling a constant 30 ft/sec. Then the skier's speed must be higher in the along the hypotenuse to compensate for the longer distance.

However, consider v_x = 30 ft/sec. Then the skier travels the length of the ramp (15 ft) in 15/30 = 0.5 sec.

In the same amount of time, the skier has risen the height.

Now figure out the vertical speed.
 
Makes sense, thanks.
 
By the way, if you approach this problem in a vectorial way, the solution is much more elegant than using derivatives and rates.

Just assume either the 30m/s velocity vector to be either along the hypothenuse or the x-axis, depending on your interpretation of the question (make sure to clearly mention the option you choose, as this will show your scientific approach).
Just split it then according to the other direction and a vertical component in the right way. The speed of the vertical component is then your vertical velocity component.

Regards,
Leo
 

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