System of differential equations - a big problem solving it

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of differential equations related to two masses connected by springs. Participants explore various methods for deriving and solving the equations, which include both theoretical approaches and practical techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the system of differential equations and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant suggests that the system can be decoupled into a fourth-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) for one of the coordinates.
  • A different participant requests more explicit guidance on deriving the equations, indicating they are struggling with the initial steps.
  • Another response proposes expressing one variable in terms of the other and substituting it into the second equation to derive the fourth-order ODE, suggesting simplifications under the assumption of equal masses.
  • One participant expresses satisfaction with the confirmation of their derived solution.
  • Another participant offers two methods for solving the equations: using complex exponentials or transforming the equations into a new coordinate system, arguing against the necessity of a fourth-order ODE.
  • A participant introduces the idea of using Laplace transforms as a potential method for solving the equations.
  • Another participant suggests substituting a specific form for the variables and outlines the resulting equations, noting the complexity introduced by having three distinct spring constants.

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Participants present multiple methods for approaching the problem, indicating a lack of consensus on the best approach. Some methods are contested, and there is no agreement on a singular solution path.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention assumptions such as equal masses and the complexity introduced by multiple spring constants, which may affect the derivation and solution process.

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Individuals interested in differential equations, particularly in the context of mechanical systems involving springs and oscillations, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi!

I have a serious problem solving the following system of differential equations:


[tex] m_1\ddot{x_1}=-k_1x_1-k(x_1-x_2)[/tex]

[tex] m_2\ddot{x_2}=-k_2x_2-k(x_2-x_1)[/tex]

Does anybody have an idea how to solve it?

Thanks.
 
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It can be easily decoupled obtaing a 4-th order ODE in one of the coordinates.Which can be solved.
 
Thank you, but you told me something that I already know. I have problems deriving these equations. Would you mind being more explicit in your answer.
 
From the first equation express x2 as a function of x1 and its second derivatives and puti it in the second equation.You'll get the 4-th order LODE.Make simplifications assuming the masses are the same.in that case,formulas will get smaller in size.
 
Thanks for your answer.

You have just confirmed that the solution I have derived is correct :smile: :smile: :smile:
 
The equations can be solved by two methods, set both [tex]x_{1}[/tex] and [tex]x_{2}[/tex] equal to complex exponentials with different constant coefficients then plug away, you'll get an algebraic set of equations to solve, the other way is to take sums and differences of them and use another coordinate system like [tex]y_{i} = x_{1} \pm x_{2}[/tex] and work thru using the method in the first part of this reply.

There is no need to get into a 4th order ODE.
 
Laplace Transforms, anyone? :-)
 
Let [tex]x_{i} = a_{i}e^{i\omega t}[/tex], substitute and get the following equations

[tex]-a_{1}m_{1}\omega^{2} = -a_{1}k_{1} - k(a_{1} - a_{2})[/tex]

[tex]-a_{2}m_{2}\omega^{2} = -a_{2}k_{2} - k(a_{2} - a_{1})[/tex]

Solve this set of equations for [tex]\omega[/tex] the use the boundary and initial conditions to obtain the [tex]a_{1}[/tex] and [tex]a_{2}[/tex]. This is a complicated set of equations because of the 3 distinct spring constants. at first glance it was exactly solvable almost trivial, but 3 constants makes it an order of magnitude more difficult.
 
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