Solve Entropy Problem with Heat Carrier - Nille

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to thermodynamics, specifically focusing on entropy changes in a heat pump system. The scenario involves a pump transferring water from a cold source to a heat carrier in a house, with specific temperatures and power outputs provided.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, with some questioning the terminology used, such as "heat carrier." There are attempts to clarify the function of the pump and its relation to the heat transfer process. One participant suggests using a Carnot process to analyze the situation, while another raises questions about the variables in the entropy formula.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing interpretations and seeking clarification on the problem's details. There is acknowledgment of differing approaches, particularly regarding the application of the Carnot process, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to solve the problem.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the temperatures involved and the nature of the heat pump. There is also a mention of the need for a visual aid to better understand the system described.

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Hi! I have a problem that I simply can't solve. I was hoping you could push me in the right direction. English isn't my native language, so please excuse errors relating to that.

A pump fetches water from the bottom of a sea where the water has a temperature of 4C (277K). It transfers this water into a heat carrier (direct translation from swedish - don't know the actual term) in a house where the temperature is 58C (331K). The electrical power of the pump is 1.00kW and when it's running it adds a heat power of 3.55kW to the heat carrier. Approximate how much the total entropy increases per time unit due to the pump while running. The excess heat is emitted at 20C (293K).

Again, I apologize for any linguistic errors. And I don't expect anyone to solve this for me; I just really, really need some pointers.

Thanks in advance,
Nille
 
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You should plot some scheme and attach it here. I don't know what is a heat carrier, and I don't understand well the problem itself.

Some scheme will help us to help you too.
 
LostInSpace said:
A pump fetches water from the bottom of a sea where the water has a temperature of 4C (277K). It transfers this water into a heat carrier (direct translation from swedish - don't know the actual term) in a house where the temperature is 58C (331K). The electrical power of the pump is 1.00kW and when it's running it adds a heat power of 3.55kW to the heat carrier. Approximate how much the total entropy increases per time unit due to the pump while running. The excess heat is emitted at 20C (293K).
The house is at a temperature of 58C?! Something seems odd here.

My guess is that this is a simple heat pump. The heat is transferred from the sea water to the house via a heat pump that cools the sea water and heats fluid in a heat exchanger ('heat carrier'?) that is then pumped through radiators in the house.

The change in entropy is given by
[tex]\triangle S = \triangle Q/T_c[/tex]
So the rate of change of Entropy per unit time is:
[tex]\triangle S/\triangle t = \frac{\triangle Q/\triangle t}{T_c}[/tex]


AM
 
Thanks for responding! Your interpretation appears to be correct.

I agree with your solution, but I have now been instructed to use a Carnot-process to solve it, which really doesn't help me. Any ideas?

Oh, and just a question regarding your formula:
What does [tex]\Delta Q[/tex] and [tex]T_c[/tex] represent?

Thanks again,
Nille
 
LostInSpace said:
Thanks for responding! Your interpretation appears to be correct.

I agree with your solution, but I have now been instructed to use a Carnot-process to solve it, which really doesn't help me. Any ideas?
The Carnot process is an ideal. But it does not apply here. For a heat pump, the efficiency of the Carnot cycle for a heat pump would be:
[tex]T_H / (T_H - T_C) = 293/16 = 18.3[/tex]
Here, the heat transferred is 3.55 kJ for each kJ of energy added.
Oh, and just a question regarding your formula:
What does [tex]\Delta Q[/tex] and [tex]T_c[/tex] represent?
[tex]\Delta Q[/tex] is the heat transferred and
[tex]T_c[/tex] is the temperature of the cold reservoir.
You are given 3.55 kW as the heat transfer rate, which is [itex]\Delta Q/\Delta T[/itex]

AM
 
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