What was causing the very weird problem?

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The discussion revolves around a chemistry problem related to the dissociation of sulfuric acid (H2SO4), specifically addressing the complexities of polyprotic acids and the calculations involved in determining the concentration of hydrogen ions (H+) produced. The scope includes conceptual clarification and mathematical reasoning.

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  • One participant calculates the moles of H2SO4 and suggests that the dissociation of polyprotic acids does not occur all at once, proposing a two-step dissociation process.
  • Another participant agrees with the first claim about the dissociation process but notes that even assuming only one H+ dissociates, the resulting calculations do not align with their expectations.
  • Some participants request clarification on the exact wording of the original problem to better understand the context and assist in resolving the issue.
  • A later reply indicates that one participant has identified a mistake, although the nature of this mistake is not detailed.

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Participants express differing views on the dissociation of sulfuric acid and its implications for the problem at hand. There is no consensus on the correct approach or resolution of the problem, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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The discussion highlights potential limitations in the initial problem statement and the assumptions made regarding the dissociation of H2SO4. Specific details about the problem's wording and the exact calculations involved are not fully provided.

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Very weird problem here...

Problem solved... nm thanks for your help though...
 
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apchemstudent said:
0.035 L * 3 M of H2SO4 = 0.105 mols of H2SO4
H2SO4 -> 2 H+ + SO42-

there's your first problem. Polyprotic acids don't disassociate all at once. The correct reaction would be
[tex]H_2SO_4 \longrightarrow H^+ + HSO_4^-\ \ \ K_a = high[/tex]
[tex]HSO_4^- \longrightarrow H^+ + SO_4^{2-}\ \ \ K_a = a\ lot\ less[/tex]
 
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so-crates said:
there's your first problem. Polyprotic acids don't disassociate all at once. The correct reaction would be
[tex]H_2SO_4 \longrightarrow H^+ + HSO_4^-\ \ \ K_a = high[/tex]
[tex]HSO_4^- \longrightarrow H^+ + SO_4^{2-}\ \ \ K_a = a\ lot\ less[/tex]

Ya, i think my teacher wants to pretend it dissociates completely. However though, that still won't solve my problem. If we pretend only 1 H+ dissociates we have 0.105 moles of H+

(.105 - .075)/3 does not equal .105/4
 
Could you state the exact wording of the problem? What you wrote is rather confusing.
 
Yes, apchemstudent, please write the exact wording and we will discuss it. It is good that you've made much effort to solve it, and maybe we'll see a little point you may have forgotten.
 
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figured out the mistake...
 
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