How do nebulas form stars and solar systems?

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The discussion centers on the formation of stars and solar systems from nebulas, exploring the composition of nebulas, their types, and the conditions necessary for star formation. Participants examine the nature of nebulas, including their gas and dust content, and the implications of different compositions.

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  • Some participants define nebulas as clouds of gas, primarily hydrogen, and discuss their role in star formation, noting that conditions like size and density are crucial.
  • Others clarify that nebulae consist of dust and gas, with gravitational clumping leading to star formation, and differentiate between types of nebulae, including diffuse and dark nebulae.
  • There is a debate regarding the composition of nebulas, with some stating they are about 90% hydrogen and 10% helium, while others suggest a ratio closer to 75% hydrogen and 25% helium, emphasizing the importance of distinguishing between mass and number ratios.
  • A participant mentions that nebulae can be close to primordial in composition, but notes that supernova remnants may lack hydrogen and helium.
  • There is a discussion about the classification of nebulae, with one participant questioning the exclusion of nova remnants from the list of nebula types.
  • Another participant emphasizes the focus on protosolar nebulae, which are relevant to star formation, while acknowledging that other types of nebulae arise from different processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the composition ratios of hydrogen and helium in nebulas, indicating a lack of consensus. The classification of nebulae and their roles in star formation also remains a topic of discussion without a definitive agreement.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between mass and number ratios when discussing the composition of nebulas, and highlight that different types of nebulae may have varying characteristics based on their formation processes.

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What exactly are nebulas and do they form stars and even solar systems? Are they mostly iron?

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Nebula (as opposed to galaxies, which at one time were called nebula) are clouds of gas, mostly hydrogen. Whether or not stars can be born there depends on the size, density, etc.
 
Nebulae are made of dust and gas; in some parts of the nebula clumps of dust are formed and they collapse gravitationally to form stars. There are to classes of nebulae: diffusse nebulae and dark nebulae. Diffusse nebulae can be divided into emission nebulae and reflection nebulae
I will point also that stars don't form only in nebulae, they also form in giant molecular clouds
Are they mostly iron?
Not quite. Most nebulae are formed of about 90% hydrogen and 10% helium
 
meteor said:
... Most nebulae are formed of about 90% hydrogen and 10% helium
Well, I would say closer to 75-25, but it's just a fine point.
 
I believe the discrepancy has to do with what ratio we are talking about for H to He. The mass ratio is about 3-1, while the number ratio is 12.5-1. I hope this clears it up.
 
Once we convert to the same units, we will find agreement. about 90-10 is ratio by number of hydrogen v helium atoms, 75-25 is the ratio by mass. I had to check cause I pulled 75-25 off the top of my head [a sometimes risky practice]. Anyways, those are the textbook numbers [The New Solar System, Beatty & Chaikin]. No online version of that book but I have a link that includes the relevant table from the book.
http://www.genesismission.org/educate/scimodule/PlanetaryDiversity/plandiv_pdf/SupermarketST.pdf
 
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Interestingly, this implies that your average 'nebula gas' is close to primordial (in terms of composition). For the most part, that's quite reasonable (much of the non-primordial stuff in the dark nebulae, reflection nebulae, etc is in the form of dust, not gas), but not always ... for example, nebulae that are 'purely' supernova remnants will likely be deficient in H (and He).
 
Thanks Nereid
One of the links says that there are 5 types of nebulae: planetary nebulae,supernovae remnants, emission nebulae, reflection nebulae and dark nebulae. But, as there are supernovae remnants, there are also nova remnants. I wonder why these should be marginalized and not included as nebulae
 
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Good point meteor. I was thinking in terms of protosolar nebulae: the kind that birth stars. That was the spirit of the original question as I perceived it. Those of course can be expected to be very similar to the primordial gas clouds from which most stars are formed. Nebulae formed by events of a different nature are, as you note, horses of a different color.
 

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