How Is the Integral Independent of x in My Calculus Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem concerning the independence of an integral with respect to a variable. Participants explore the implications of this independence for the function involved and attempt to compute a specific integral based on given conditions.

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  • One participant presents the integral \(\int_{x}^{xy} f(t) dt\) and states that it is independent of \(x\), prompting the question of how to compute \(A(x) = \int_{1}^{x} f(t)dt\) given \(f(2) = 2\).
  • Another participant suggests differentiating \(g(y)\) with respect to \(x\) and derives the equation \(0 = yf(xy) - f(x)\), leading to the conclusion that \(f(xy) = \frac{f(x)}{y}\).
  • A different participant expresses confusion about the substitution of \(f(2) = 2\) and seeks clarification on the justification for this step.
  • One participant explains that since \(g\) is a function of \(y\), differentiating it with respect to \(x\) yields zero, and they apply the Leibniz rule to differentiate the integral, leading to the relationship \(xf(x) = K\), where \(K\) is a constant.
  • Another participant concludes that \(f(x) = \frac{4}{x}\) based on the earlier discussions and notes that \(\frac{dg}{dy} = \frac{4}{y} = f(y)\).

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the steps taken to solve the problem, with some clarifying points while others remain uncertain about specific substitutions and justifications. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the overall approach or the validity of certain steps.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the justification for substituting \(f(2) = 2\) and the implications of differentiating \(g(y)\) with respect to \(x\). The discussion also highlights the dependence of \(f(x)\) on the variable \(x\) and the conditions under which the integral is independent of \(x\).

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My Professor in my calculus class (1st year) left us with this question at the end of lecture today and told us to think about it. I am baffled as to how to solve it. Anyways, here is what he gave us.

[tex] \int_{x}^{xy} f(t) dt[/tex]
This is independent of x.

If [tex]f(2) = 2[/tex], compute the value of
[tex]A(x) = \int_{1}^{x} f(t)dt[/tex]

for all [tex]x > 0[/tex]

He then gave us a hint saying since it is independent of x, the function will be in terms of y.
[tex]g(y) = \int_{x}^{xy}f(t)dt[/tex]
He also told us the final answer is [tex]4 \ln x[/tex]

Does this make any sense? I would appreciate it if someone can show me how to solve this.
 
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To solve this, differentiate g(y) with respect to x:
[tex]0=\frac{d}{dx}g(y)=yf(xy)-f(x)\to{f}(xy)=\frac{f(x)}{y}[/tex]
then, differentiate g(y) with respect to y:
[tex]\frac{dg}{dy}=xf(xy)=\frac{xf(x)}{y}[/tex]

Hope this helps..
 
I am a little confused after spending an hour thinking about it. But I think I have something.

Since [tex]f(2) = 2[/tex] then [tex]\frac{dg}{dy} = \frac{2f(2)}{y} = \frac{4}{y}[/tex]

Then we can replace [tex]f(t)[/tex] with [tex]\frac{4}{y}[/tex]

Going back we can now solve for [tex]A(y) = \int_{1}^{x} \frac{4}{y} dy = 4 \int_{1}^{x} \frac{1}{y} dy = 4[\ln |x| - \ln (1)][/tex]
and since [tex]x > 0[/tex] we finally have:

[tex]A(y) = 4 \ln x[/tex]

OK, so is this right? I'm a little bit troubled with doing the substitution of f(2) = 2, can you explain to me how that might be justified?

I also have a question about your hint, arildno. Just the first line.

how is it possible that you set [tex]\frac{d}{dx}g(y) = 0[/tex]? And could you explain [tex]yf(xy) - f(x)[/tex] where that came from?

Thanks

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1) g is solely a function of the variable "y".
Hence, differentiating it with respect to some other variable it does not depend on, yields zero.
2) Using the Leibniz rule for differentiating an integral where the bounds depend on your variable, reads:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\int_{x}^{xy}f(t)dt=f(xy)\frac{d}{dx}xy-f(x)\frac{d}{dx}x=yf(xy)-f(x)[/tex]

3. Since g(y) is independent of x, so is [tex]\frac{dg}{dy}[/tex]
Hence, we must have:
xf(x)=K, where K is some constant.
We can determine K, with noting 2f(2)=4, that, is,
xf(x)=4 (implying f(x)=\frac{4}{x}), or [tex]\frac{dg}{dy}=\frac{4}{y}=f(y)[/tex]
 
Thank you. I understand. Its much clearer now.
 

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