Factorial in example problem, I'm confused

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The discussion revolves around understanding the factorial notation, specifically the relationship between (n+1)! and n!. Participants express confusion regarding the transition from (n+1)! to (n+1)n! and seek clarification on this concept.

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I'm confused from one step to the next in the book.

In the first step, they have (n+1)!

then in the next step the write that as (n+1)n!


so (n+1)! = (n+1)n! ?

I don't understand that, can someone explain it to me ? ( I am very unfamiliar with factorials, this is like some of the first times I have seen it in computations.
 
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Let's take a general case:
[tex]a!=a(a-1)(a-2)(a-3)...[/tex]
So in the problem:
[tex](n+1)!=(n+1)(n+1-1)(n+1-2)(n+1-3)(n+1-4)...=(n+1)(n)(n-1)(n-2)(n-3)...[/tex]
Now you can see that the terms after [itex](n+1)[/itex] are just [itex]n![/itex], according to our general definition above, so:
[tex](n+1)!=(n+1)n![/tex]
 
The easiest way to see it is a concrete example I think. Take n as 5... then (n+1)! is 6! , which is 6*5*4*3*2*1. (n+1)n! is the same thing because n+1 is 6, then n! is 5*4*3*2*1, giving you 6*5*4*3*2*1.

edit: posted late I guess :rolleyes:
 
n! = 1 *2 * 3 ... *n

(n + 1)! = 1 * 2 * 3 ... *n *(n+1)

Since 1*2*3...*n = n!, you can rewrite the statement so that

(n+1)! = (n+1)n!
 
Ohhh i get it now, thanks guys! all of your responses helped me visualize it, ty.
 

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