Verifying F_5[x]/(x^4+1) is a Field

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The discussion revolves around the verification of whether the quotient ring F_5[x]/(x^4+1) forms a field. Participants explore the conditions necessary for a polynomial to be irreducible over F_5[x] and the implications of irreducibility for constructing finite fields with specific orders.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the polynomial F_5[x]/(x^4+1) to construct a field with 5^4 elements but is unsure how to verify it is a field.
  • Another participant points out that the polynomial x^4+1 is not irreducible in F_5[x] and questions the necessity of having a leading coefficient of 1.
  • Some participants discuss the properties of finite fields, noting that every finite field has a prime power order and that there is a unique finite field for each prime power.
  • There is a suggestion to find an irreducible quartic polynomial over F_5[x] and to check for roots and possible factors.
  • One participant lists several irreducible quadratic polynomials over F_5[x] and attempts to divide x^4+1 by them, but finds that none divide evenly.
  • Another participant corrects the count of irreducible quadratics, indicating that there are more than initially identified.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the existence of a simple irreducible polynomial of the form x^n+d for higher degrees.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for irreducibility to verify that F_5[x]/(x^4+1) is a field, but there is disagreement regarding the irreducibility of specific polynomials and the methods to find suitable candidates.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that having no roots does not guarantee irreducibility for polynomials of degree four, as they may still factor into irreducible quadratics. The discussion also highlights the complexity of finding irreducible polynomials of higher degrees.

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So my job is to find a field with [tex]5^4[/tex] elements, and I know i can construct one by considering something of the form: [tex]F_5[x]/(x^4+bx^3+cx^2+1)[/tex]. So I thought i'd just consider this one:

[tex]F_5[x]/(x^4+1)[/tex]

The problem is I'm not sure how to verify that this is indeed a field, i.e. I'm having trouble showing that a general non-zero element (which is of the form [tex]a+ b\alpha+c\alpha^2+d\alpha^3[/tex]) has an inverse. Does anyone know what to do?
 
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Your polynomial is not irreducible in [tex]F_{5}[x][/tex], you might want to try another.

Also, why are you forcing the constant term of your polynomial to be 1? Was that a typo?
 
I was under the impression that every finite field was isomorphic to Zp for some prime p and so must have a prime number of elements.
 
Every finite field has prime power order and for every prime power there's a unique finite field of that order.

One way to show the is a finite field of order p^n is to consider the splitting field of [tex]x^{p^n}-x[/tex] over [tex]F_{p}[/tex], uniqueness follows pretty easily. This doesn't give much info on the structure of the field though, so if you want to actually do some computations in it, you want a more explicit construction, such as finding an irreducible polynomial of degree n in [tex]F_{p}[x][/tex]. The corresponding ideal will be prime, so the quotient group will be an integral domain and hence a field since it's finite.
 
Okay, thanks a lot. I was originally trying to use some proposition in my book involving monic polynomials, which is why i had a 1 leading coefficient in the ideal. So now my problem reduces down to finding a quartic polynomial that is irreducible over [tex]F_5[x][/tex]. Now, you said earlier that [tex]x^4+1[/tex] is not irreducible over [tex]F_5[x][/tex]. Why not? The polynomial doesn't have any zeros over this field, does it?
 
Having no zeros only implies irreducible if it's degree 3 or 2. Your quartic could still factor into irredcible quadratics. Can you factor [tex]y^2+1[/tex] over [tex]F_5[/tex]?
 
Ah- a power of a prime. I knew I was forgetting something!
 
Hmm...so how exactly can I find an irreducible quartic polynomial over [tex]F_5[x][/tex]? :confused:
 
My query about the 1 in [tex](x^4+bx^3+cx^2+1)[/tex] was a hint. Starting with the simplest 4th degree polynomials was a fine idea, and you know you need a non-zero constant term, so try [tex]x^4+d[/tex] for the various options of d.

First check your selected polynomial has no roots. If this is the case, start trying to divide it by the monic irreducible quadratic polynomials over [tex]F_5[/tex]. There are 25 monic quadratics, but many of them have zeros, so they can be ruled out as possible factors.
 
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Okay, so I've gone through all the quadratic polynomials of [tex]F_5[x][/tex] and after some hard scrutiny, i think there are only six irreducible ones:
[tex]x^2+x+1, x^2+4x+2, x^2+2x+3, x^2+3x+3, x^2+2x+4, x^2+3x+4[/tex]
Now, I've tried dividing [tex]x^4+1[/tex] by each of these, and in each case i find that none of them divide [tex]x^4+1[/tex], they each give a remainder in [tex]F_5[x][/tex]. Have I miscalculated somewhere? :frown:
 
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There are 25 monic quadratics. The reducible ones have the form [tex](x+a)(x+b)[/tex] for some a and b, 5 choices with a=b, 5*4/2=10 with a and b distinct, so 15 total. There are 10 irreducible quadratics here, you've missed 4.
 
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Arghh...yes, you were right. I had overlooked these four:
[tex]x^2+2, x^2+3, x^2+x+2, x^2+4x+1[/tex]

And you were right again, [tex]x^2+1[/tex] did divide [tex]x^4+1[/tex]. Well, now I guess it's either: [tex]x^4+2[/tex] or [tex]x^4+3[/tex]. One of them's got to work right? :bugeye:
 
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Yep, at least one of those will work. It might be worth pointing out that in general you are NOT guaranteed a simple irreducible of degree n of the form [tex]x^n+d[/tex]. If you were trying to find a field with [tex]5^5[/tex] elements for example (n=5), you wouldn't have such a nice irreducible.
 

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