High School Lab: Precipitates and Solubility Rules

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of precipitates and solubility rules in the context of high school chemistry. Participants explore how to write dissociation equations, net ionic equations, and identify soluble and insoluble salts, as well as strategies for memorizing solubility rules.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to write equations for the dissociation of salts and net ionic equations, specifically for K2CO3 and the reaction between K3PO4 and BaCl2.
  • Another participant suggests that alkali metal ions and ammonium, along with certain anions, tend to form soluble salts, while nitrates are generally soluble.
  • A participant provides an example of a net ionic equation involving barium sulfate and discusses the simplification by omitting spectator ions.
  • There is a correction regarding the net ionic equation for the reaction between AgNO3 and BaCl2, clarifying that silver ions are 1+ and thus the product should be AgCl, not Ag2Cl.
  • Suggestions are made for learning strategies, including understanding oxidation states, determining compound formulas, balancing equations, and studying ionic equations.
  • Links to external resources are shared, noting that the provided rules are general guidelines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the writing of net ionic equations and the solubility of different salts. There is no consensus on the correct formulation of the net ionic equation for the reaction involving silver and chloride ions, indicating a disagreement on this point.

Contextual Notes

Some participants emphasize the importance of understanding oxidation states and balancing equations, while others focus on the specifics of ionic equations. There may be limitations in the assumptions made about solubility rules and the conditions under which certain reactions occur.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for high school students studying chemistry, particularly those focusing on ionic equations and solubility rules, as well as educators looking for insights into common student questions and misconceptions.

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Hello all

I have a few questions about Precipitates and Solubility Rules

(a) How do you write an equation for the dissociation of a salt in a solution?
(b) How do you write a net ionic equation?
(c) Which ions tend to form soluble salts? insoluble salts? ( Pb[2+] Na[+], k[+], NH4[+], Ag[+], NO3[-]. OH[-]. Cl[-]. CO3[2-], PO4[3-]

For example is K2C03 the same as

K2C03 --> 2K + CO3? How do you know when to put the coefficient in front of the ion?

It also says to write a net ionic equation for the formation of each precipitate that was formed in the experiment (omit spectator ions)

K3PO4 + BaCl2 ---> ?

Also is there any good way to memorize or derive the solubility rules??

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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Well, this is somewhat about getting used to writing formulae, but I can say that alkali metal ions (along with ammonium) and their hydroxides and halides (along with a whole bunch of anions) have good solubility in water. Nitrates can almost never be precipitated from solution, so any compound with nitrate anion will be soluble in water.

However, my approach is a simple one; you can always find a salt which is insoluble in water. For example, qualitative potassium ion determination is done with hexanitrocobaltate(II) ion, to give [itex]K_4[Co(NO_2)_6][/itex] precipitate.

To write a net ionic equation, look for cross-ionic reactions, for example, barium nitrate gives barium sulfate precipitate with the action of saturated calcium sulfate solution:

[tex]Ba^{2+}_{(aq)}+2NO_3^-_{(aq)}+Ca^{2+}_{(aq)}+SO_4^{2-}_{(aq)}\longrightarrow BaSO_{4(s)}+Ca^{2+}_{(aq)}+2NO_3^-_{(aq)}[/tex]

You can see that calcium and nitrate ions have no effect here; so you may not include these in the reaction, as a result, a great simplification may be done with this approach:

[tex]Ba^{2+}_{(aq)}+SO_4^{2-}_{(aq)}\longrightarrow BaSO_{4(s)}[/tex]

About potassium carbonate, you can understand that potassium is 1+ charged while carbonate ion is 2-. So, two potassium ions must be nearby to neutralize the negative charge.

Consider these, and please show your work again.
 
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so AgNO3 +BaCl2 net ionic equation is:

Ag + 2Cl --> Ag2Cl?
 
No, silver is 1+, so the formula should be AgCl. Two moles of siilver ions will react with one mole of barium chloride to give two moles of AgCl.
 
Courtigrad, I have a few suggestions :

1. Learn what the typical oxidation states of different common species are.
2. Learn how to determine the formula of a compound, given the elements in it.
3. Learn how to balance equations.
4. Go through the chapter on Ionic Equations. This is a very important concept and you'll need it as a basis for any further chemistry, so spend some time learning it properly.
 

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