Momentum probability Distribution

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The discussion centers on the concept of momentum probability distribution derived from a particle's wavefunction, specifically through the application of the Fourier Transform. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and mathematical formulations related to this transformation, as well as its implications in quantum mechanics.

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  • Ray expresses curiosity about how the Fourier Transform of a wavefunction leads to a momentum probability distribution.
  • One participant provides mathematical expressions for calculating expectation values of position and momentum, introducing the Fourier Transform of the wavefunction.
  • Ray questions the underlying reason for the transformation from position space to momentum space, noting his understanding of Fourier Transforms in the context of time and frequency domains.
  • Another participant explains that Fourier Transforms apply to any pair of canonically conjugated observables, such as position and momentum, and discusses the relationship between energy and frequency in quantum physics.
  • There is a mention of normalization constants in the Fourier Transform and the role of Planck's constant (ħ) in making arguments dimensionless.

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The discussion contains multiple viewpoints regarding the application and interpretation of Fourier Transforms in quantum mechanics. Participants do not reach a consensus on the underlying reasons for the transformation from position to momentum space, indicating ongoing exploration and debate.

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Participants reference various mathematical formulations and concepts without resolving all assumptions or dependencies on definitions, particularly regarding the normalization factors and the role of ħ in the Fourier Transform.

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To get at a particle's postion probability distribution we take the modulus of the wave function and square it etc. , but my lecturer said next year we will learn how to get at the particle's momentum probability distribution from the wavefunction, and mentioned something about taking the Fourier Transform of the wavefunction. I can't wait til next year, anyone care to explain how the transform gives a momentum distribution?

Ray
 
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rayveldkamp said:
To get at a particle's postion probability distribution we take the modulus of the wave function and square it etc. , but my lecturer said next year we will learn how to get at the particle's momentum probability distribution from the wavefunction, and mentioned something about taking the Fourier Transform of the wavefunction. I can't wait til next year, anyone care to explain how the transform gives a momentum distribution?

Ray

Hopefully I'm not mistaking,i haven't used this ormula in decades (damn QFT has other formula for changing representation) so here goes my say:
[tex]<\vec{r}>=\int_{R^3} d^{3}\vec{r}\psi^{*}(\vec{r}) \vec{r} \psi(\vec{r})[/tex]
[tex]<\vec{p}>=\int_{R^3} d^{3}\vec{p}\psi^{*}(\vec{p}) \vec{p} \psi(\vec{p})[/tex]
,where
[tex]\psi(\vec{p})=\frac{1}{(2 \pi\hbar)^{\frac{3}{2}}}\int_{R^3} d^{3}\vec{r}\psi(\vec{r})\exp(-\frac{i}{\hbar}{\vec{r}\cdot\vec{p}})[/tex]
is called the Fourier transform of [itex]\psi(\vec{r})[/itex].

I sincerely hope u know how to calculate the average of the momentum operator in the coordinate representation...
 
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Thanks i understand how that works, and i know how to compute Fourier Transforms, but i thought Fourier Transforms transform a function from the time domain to the frequancy domain...is there any underlying reason why transforming the position domain goes to momentum space?

Ray
 
To calculate the probability distrubtion of any observable, you need to write your wavefunction as a linear combination of eigenfunctions of that observable.
Reasoning in one-dimension:
Since [tex]\hat p = \frac{\hbar}{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/tex]
We can find the eigenfunctions of [itex]\hat p[/itex] by the following DE:
[tex]\hat p \psi(x) = p \psi(x) \iff \frac{\hbar}{i}\frac{\partial \psi (x)}{\partial x}=p \psi(x)[/tex]
The solutions are clearly: [tex]\psi(x)=C\exp\left(\frac{ipx}{\hbar}\right)[/tex], where [itex]p[/itex] can take any real value.
So you have to write your wavefunction as a linear combination of these eigenfunctions of [itex]\hat p[/itex]. Since you have a continuous spectrum, the combination takes the form of an integral:

[tex]\psi(x)=C\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\bar \psi(p)\exp\left(\frac{ipx}{\hbar}\right) dp[/tex]
As you can see, apart from normalization factors, it is the Fourier transform of [itex]\bar \psi(p)[/itex].
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EDIT: The above didn't really answer the question. The probability of measuring a momentum between p and p+dp is:
[tex]|\langle \exp\left(\frac{ipx}{\hbar}\right)| \psi(x) \rangle|^2 dp = C\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\psi(x)\exp\left(\frac{-ipx}{\hbar}\right) dx = \bar \psi(p)[/tex]
which is the Fourier transform of [itex]\psi(x)[/itex].
 
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I see that's very clever, thanks a lot!
 
rayveldkamp said:
Thanks i understand how that works, and i know how to compute Fourier Transforms, but i thought Fourier Transforms transform a function from the time domain to the frequancy domain...is there any underlying reason why transforming the position domain goes to momentum space?

Ray

Fourier trasforms apply in the case of any two canonically conjugated observables.Either momentum-position,energy-time,or any other pair.In the last case,u can say the energy is proportional to the (quantum physics used)frequency "omega" (by means of Planck formula),and u find frequancy-time.
This is put together in QFT where energy/frequency are the same thing (hbar is set to one) and one uses 4-vectors for momentum and coordinates.
I edited the post above because it didn't give the reason why the normalization constant in the Fourier transform included hbar.Hbar sould have appeared (and now does) in the exponential to make its argument dimensionless.
As i said,i worked with these only in QFT lately,where hbar is set to one and i don't have to worry about it.

Daniel.
 

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