Converting 2nd Order ODE to 1st Order ODE

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The discussion revolves around converting a second order ordinary differential equation (ODE) into a system of first order ODEs. The original poster presents a nonlinear system described by the second order ODE and seeks guidance on how to transform it into a pair of first order equations.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to handle the nonlinear term in the ODE and questions the process of obtaining a pair of first order equations. Some participants suggest substituting the velocity variable and identify the resulting equations, while others mention numerical methods for solving the transformed equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing hints and suggestions for substitution and numerical methods. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in solving the resulting equations, particularly due to the nonlinear nature of the system.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about the transformation process and the implications of the nonlinear term. There is mention of specific methods, such as the Runge-Kutta method, for evaluating the equations once transformed.

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I'm stuck as to where to start with this question:

The position function x(t) in a certain nonlinear system is described by the second order ODE:

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Transform this ODE into a pair of first order ODEs for x1=x and x2=dx/dt. (Note that x2 represents the velocity in this system.)


I've thought about calculating the homogeneous equation and then the particular integral, but (a) how is this done with a sin(dx/dt) on the RHS and (b) how does this yield a pair of solutions? Or is there another way to go about it?
 

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Show us what happens when you substitute x2=dx/dt. Isn't that a 1st order equation? What's the other one? Hint: it is given in this very post.
 
krab said:
Show us what happens when you substitute x2=dx/dt. Isn't that a 1st order equation? What's the other one? Hint: it is given in this very post.

Krab,u should have given him the result and let him strive to find the solution for the messy equation he gets:
[tex]\frac{dx_{1}}{dt}=x_{2}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dx_{2}}{dt}=-\int x_{2}dt- \alpha\sin x_{2}[/tex].
That should fully answer your problem.If u want to solve the second equation,try numerical methods.It is a nonlinear first order integro-differential equation with constant coefficients.Impossible to solve analytically.For almost all cases.
 
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Thanks, I guess I was expecting the problem to be harder than that :rolleyes: . Yeah, the second part of the question involves evaluation by the Runge-Kutta method. :smile:
 
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These are the first order equations:
[tex]\frac{dx_1}{dt}=x_2[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dx_2}{dt}=-x_1- \alpha\sin x_2[/tex]
In this form, they can be used directly in a canned Runge-Kutta routine.
 

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