How Can You Prove the Axioms of Norms and Use Them to Test Convergence?

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The discussion revolves around the axioms of norms, specifically how to prove them using a given definition of a norm for matrices. Participants also explore the implications of this definition for testing convergence of series involving matrices.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in proving the axioms of norms, noting that there are three axioms to consider.
  • Another participant questions what specific properties of the norm are being targeted for proof, suggesting that many properties may follow from definitions provided.
  • A different participant asserts that axioms cannot be proven by definition, proposing that the inquiry might be about demonstrating that a specific example satisfies the axioms.
  • A participant clarifies that their professor requires a proof based on a specific definition of the norm for matrices, which is defined in terms of the maximum absolute value of the matrix entries.
  • One participant encourages another to demonstrate the triangle inequality property of norms, suggesting a straightforward approach to the proof.
  • The original poster expresses difficulty in proving a test for convergence related to the defined norm, specifically regarding the convergence of a series involving matrix powers and factorials.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on how to approach the proof of the axioms of norms. There are differing views on the nature of axioms and the requirements for proving properties related to a specific definition of a norm.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on which specific properties of the norm are being considered for proof and the dependence on the provided definition of the norm. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps in proving convergence tests.

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Students and educators in mathematics and related fields, particularly those interested in linear algebra and the properties of norms in vector spaces.

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ok guys.. i would really appreciate any help you may have..

Anyone know how to prove the axioms of norms? there are 3 of them.
 
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What properties of the norm exactly are you trying to prove? Many of the basic properties will follow directly from the definitions. Show what you've got so far and you'll have a better chance of getting help.
 
You can't prove an axiom, by definition.

Perhaps you are asking how you can show that a particular example satisfies a set of axioms?
 
See. that's what I thought too..that you can't prove it b/c it is true by definition., but my prof seems to want us to prove it with a given definition of the norm.

he defines it to be , for a n x m matrix A, the norm of A=(sqrt(nm))(max{abs.val(aij)}), where the ij are subscripts.

I guess he wants us to show how this particular definition of the norm is in fact a norm. Any suggestions?
 
Yes, just do it! Can you see why norm(a+b) <= norm(a) + norm(b)? It's a "just do it proof", in the sense of Polya.
 
k here's some more I am having trouble with..


Prove the following test for convergence (using the above definition of the norm): If the sum, from k=0 to infinity, of the norm of Ak (where k is the subscript) converges then the sum of Ak) where k is the subscript) converges.

And how do i use this to prove that the sum from k=0 to infinity of Ak/k! ( where k in the numerator is an exponent) always converges for any square matirs A?
 

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