3^2x=5(3^x)+36 whats the exact value of x?

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation 3^2x = 5(3^x) + 36, which involves exponential functions and logarithmic properties. Participants are exploring methods to find the exact value of x.

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  • Participants discuss factoring the equation and using logarithms to solve for x. There is uncertainty about the correctness of the factorization and the implications of negative solutions. Some participants question the common base for the exponential terms and explore different methods, including graphing calculators.

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There are multiple interpretations of the factorization and the logarithmic approach. Some participants have provided guidance on using logarithms, while others express confusion about the negative solution and its validity. The discussion is ongoing, with various perspectives being shared.

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Participants note that they are not currently studying logarithms, which may limit their approach to the problem. There is also mention of a mistake in the factorization that affects the interpretation of the solutions.

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I let A=3x and then i got (A-9)(A-4) when i factored the quadratic. Then when I got a common base of 3 I solved one x value to be x=2 but I am not sure about the other one? 3^x=4 what is the common base? I used the graphing calculator instead and got x=1.26 is this correct? could i have done it another way? :rolleyes:
 
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A=3^x not 3x right?

I've not checked your algebra but assuming it is right:

[tex]3^x = 4[/tex]

[tex]x = \log_3 4[/tex]

or:

[tex]3^x = 4[/tex]

[tex]\ln \left( 3^x \right) = \ln (4)[/tex]

[tex]x \ln (3) = \ln(4)[/tex]

[tex]x = \frac{\ln(4)}{\ln(3)}[/tex]

Edit: You have made a mistake, check your pluses and minus when you factored again, there is only one real root.
 
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Thanks I got it :smile:
 
aisha said:
I let A=3x and then i got (A-9)(A-4) when i factored the quadratic. Then when I got a common base of 3 I solved one x value to be x=2 but I am not sure about the other one? 3^x=4 what is the common base? I used the graphing calculator instead and got x=1.26 is this correct? could i have done it another way? :rolleyes:

Final answer,.........YES.But the equation subject of this post will not appear in the solution to your problem,as the decomposition u found was wrong.It should have stated (A-9)(A+4) with only the "9" sollution adittable,since the exponetial of real numbers cannot be negative.
Anyway,for the equation u stated,here goes my say:
U got [itex]3^x =4[/itex].Apply logarithm in any base on both sides of the eq.Apply it in the base 3 to find:[itex]x=\log_{3} 4[/itex].Apply in the "natural" basis to find:[itex]x=\frac{\ln 4}{\ln 3}[/itex].
Take the pocket intelligent calculator (the one with scientifical functions) and compute the ratio between the 2 natural logarithms and you"ll find "x" with a staggering approximation (actuatlly the calculator's number of possible decimals).

Equations like the one u encountered (the last one) are called transcendental equations and,in general,solutions are transcendental numbers,i.e. numbers like "e" and "pi".

Daniel.

PS.Edit:Zurtex,i hadn't seen yor post,as i would have cut mine to half,sice you dealt with the transcedental eq.
 
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dextercioby said:
Final answer,.........YES.
U have done magnificiently up until the last equation.
U got [itex]3^x =4[/itex].Apply logarithm in any base on both sides of the eq.Apply it in the base 3 to find:[itex]x=\log_{3} 4[/itex].Apply in the "natural" basis to find:[itex]x=\frac{\ln 4}{\ln 3}[/itex].
Take the pocket intelligent calculator (the one with scientifical functions) and compute the ratio between the 2 natural logarithms and you"ll find "x" with a staggering approximation (actuatlly the calculator's number of possible decimals).

Equations like the one u encountered (the last one) are called transcendental equations and,in general,solutions are transcendental numbers,i.e. numbers like "e" and "pi".

Daniel.
Since one value was negative I think there is no solution for that one since when a positive base is raised to any exponent the result should be a positive value. We are not doing log this year, thanks for ur help!
 
aisha said:
Since one value was negative I think there is no solution for that one since when a positive base is raised to any exponent the result should be a positive value. We are not doing log this year, thanks for ur help!

I edited my post.I assumed that the decomposition u found was correct (and so did Zurtex),so i proceded with the unclarities regarding the last equation.
Now my post makes perfect sense.Almost... :-p
 
I don't understand am I wrong?
 
aisha said:
I let A=3x and then i got (A-9)(A-4) when i factored the quadratic.

YES,but,thankfully u figured out the mistake.

Daniel.
 

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