Is it possible to have infinite amount of dimension?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of having an infinite number of dimensions and its implications for gravity. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, particularly in relation to gravity's behavior in higher dimensions and the nature of spacetime.

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  • Some participants question the validity of a statement regarding gravity's strength being weaker due to its spread outside spacetime, suggesting that spacetime itself encompasses all dimensions.
  • There is a proposal that if there are infinite dimensions, gravity would become negligible, as it would spread across all dimensions.
  • One participant mentions that in theories like string theory, the number of dimensions is constrained due to field theory anomalies, implying that infinite dimensions may not be feasible.
  • Another participant raises a question about why gravity would leak into extra dimensions if those dimensions contain no matter to act upon, expressing skepticism about the "leaky universe" concept.
  • Some participants argue that gravity's propagation in all dimensions, while other particles are confined to a brane, is a way to explain its relative weakness compared to other forces.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of gravity leaking into extra dimensions, including potential causality violations and the relevance of such theories if they yield no observable consequences in our universe.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of gravity in relation to higher dimensions, with no consensus reached on whether infinite dimensions are possible or how gravity behaves in such scenarios.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the implications of gravity's behavior in higher dimensions, particularly regarding the assumptions made about spacetime and the constraints of existing theories like string theory.

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"Because gravity also spreads outside spacetime, only a fraction of its strength is available inside spacetime, and this is given as the explanation of why gravitation is so much weaker than the other forces."

If this statement is true, is it still possible that there are infinite amount of dimension? If there are infinity of dimension, then the gravity force will certainly be zero, as gravity must spreads into every dimension.
 
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scilover89 said:
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"Because gravity also spreads outside spacetime, only a fraction of its strength is available inside spacetime, and this is given as the explanation of why gravitation is so much weaker than the other forces."

I don't think the quote is correct. The idea behind that statement is that our visible universe is constrained on a brane, but spacetime itself is higher dimensional. This allows gravity to live on the brane in our visible universe and, also leak into the extra dimensions.

It could just be symantics, but I consider spacetime to consist of everything. Therefore, there is no such thing as being outside spacetime.

scilover89 said:
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If this statement is true, is it still possible that there are infinite amount of dimension? If there are infinity of dimension, then the gravity force will certainly be zero, as gravity must spreads into every dimension.

You are correct that gravity will get weaker, but it falls off outside the brane as 1/r^{d-3} (that could be off).

In theories of Quantum gravity like string theory, the number of dimensions is constrained. If these constraints aren't met, things fall apart.

If you want to just talk about gravity, you may be able to create a theory with an infinite number of dimensions, but I can't think of how, nor do I think I would want to. Seems pretty mesy to me.
 
In string theory, critical dimensions are based on field theory anomolies cancelling. If you want to live in any other dimension, you break a crucial symmetry of the theory.
 
So, if gravity in our spacetime is leaking into other dimensions, why isn't gravity leaking from other dimensions into our spacetime? Does this just happen to be the only spacetime that contains matter? If so, just exactly what does gravity think it is accomplishing by wandering into other dimensions where it has nothing to act upon? Should we be looking for gravitational monopoles? I can't say I'm sold on the leaky universe idea.
 
What I am saying is that in one theory gravity can propagate in all the dimensions where as all other particles (us) live on a brane. This is one way to explain why gravity is weaker than the other forces.

As to whether you are sold on the idea or not, what's the point?
 
jujio77 said:
What I am saying is that in one theory gravity can propagate in all the dimensions where as all other particles (us) live on a brane. This is one way to explain why gravity is weaker than the other forces.

As to whether you are sold on the idea or not, what's the point?
My point is it makes no sense. I see it as a backdoor way of suggesting 3+1 dimensional spacetime is somehow a preferred reference frame. Why would gravity, unlike any other force, have special priveleges in extra dimensions? Why would any natural force 'leak' into extra dimensions where there is nothing for it to act upon? And if there are no observable consequences in this universe, how is it relevant? Does that suggest a causality violation? It does to me.
 

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