Investigating the Effect of the Sun on Tides

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the effect of the Sun on ocean tides, focusing on the comparative influence of the Sun and the Moon. Participants examine the gravitational forces involved and the reasons for the observed tidal patterns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the Sun does not have a more pronounced effect on tides, suggesting that the Sun's mass might equalize gravitational effects across the Earth.
  • Another participant explains that tidal effects arise from differences in gravitational potential on different sides of the Earth, noting that the Earth's diameter is negligible compared to the distance to the Sun.
  • A later reply provides a formula indicating that tidal forces vary with mass and distance, highlighting that while the Sun's mass is significantly greater than the Moon's, its distance reduces its tidal effect.
  • One participant acknowledges the utility of the formula in understanding the relationship between mass, distance, and tidal forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the mechanisms behind the Sun's effect on tides, with no consensus reached on the extent of its influence compared to the Moon.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about gravitational effects and the relevance of distance to tidal forces are discussed, but these remain unresolved within the conversation.

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Why isn't there a more pronounced effect from the Sun on tides? The distance from the Earth to the Sun seems negligible considering the mass of the Sun.

While typing this out and thinking about it, the most reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the Sun has so much mass that the effects from the gravity are somehow equalized on all parts of the Earth.

Am I close?

RR
 
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the tidal effect is caused by the difference in the gravitational potential on different sides of the planet. this difference is caused by the diameter of the Earth and the fact that gravity is a r^-2 law ie the side farthest from the sun feels less gravitational pull compared to the side closest to the sun. now since the diameter of the Earth is negligible when compared to the distance to the sun, i assume the tidal effect is also negligible.
 
Rocky_Road said:
Why isn't there a more pronounced effect from the Sun on tides? The distance from the Earth to the Sun seems negligible considering the mass of the Sun.

While typing this out and thinking about it, the most reasonable explanation I can come up with is that the Sun has so much mass that the effects from the gravity are somehow equalized on all parts of the Earth.

Am I close?

RR

Tidal forces vary directly with the mass and inversely to the cube of the distance. The fact that the Sun is about 27,000,000 times the mass of the moon is counterbalanced by the fact that it is about 400 times as far. 400 cubed is 64,000,000,000, which shows why the Sun's tidal effect is a little less than 1/2 that of the Moon's
 
F=M/D^3

I guess a course in Physics would have helped. :smile:
Your numbers agree with mine once I had the formula.

Thanks for the reply.

RR
 

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