Is the Limit of x^(1/(1-x)) as x Approaches 1 Equal to 0 or 1?

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The discussion centers around the limit of the expression x raised to the power of 1/(1-x) as x approaches 1. Participants explore various methods to evaluate this limit, including L'Hôpital's rule and logarithmic transformations, while expressing differing opinions on the resulting value.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially suggests that the limit could be 1, but expresses uncertainty about the possibility of it being 0.
  • Another participant proposes using L'Hôpital's rule and claims to find the limit as 1/e.
  • A different participant claims to have calculated the limit as infinity, using the transformation involving the natural logarithm.
  • One participant questions the calculation that leads to infinity, suggesting an alternative approach using L'Hôpital's rule that results in -1.
  • Another participant emphasizes a more elegant method that involves recognizing the limit as the derivative of -log(x) evaluated at 1, asserting that the limit is -1.
  • One participant introduces a substitution method leading to the conclusion that the limit is 1/e, referencing a well-known limit.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the calculation of the limit using the substitution method.
  • A participant provides a response to the clarification request, explaining the limit as y approaches 0 and relating it to the exponential function.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for another's solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the limit, with no consensus reached on its value. Some suggest it approaches 1/e, while others propose different values or methods of evaluation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mathematical techniques and transformations, but there are unresolved assumptions and steps in the calculations that may affect the conclusions drawn.

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lim as x approaches 1 of x raised to the quantity 1/1-x. When I first did it, I got 1 as my answer, but I have a strong feeling the answer is 0 also. I don't know how to get it, however. 1 raised to any power is 1, that is where I got the answer 1 from.
 
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try l'hopital's rule. take ln of your function, then find the limit, then exponentiate to undo the ln

edit: the answer i got is 1/e
 
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I got infinity as the answer .

[tex]x^{\frac{1}{1-x}} = e^{\frac{lnx}{1-x}}[/tex]

And

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 1} \frac{lnx}{1-x} = \lim_{x \rightarrow 1} \frac{1}{x(1-x)^2} = \infty[/tex]
 
How did you get
[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 1} \frac{lnx}{1-x} = \lim_{x \rightarrow 1} \frac{1}{x(1-x)^2} = \infty[/tex]
?
Using L'Hopital, you would take the limit of [itex]\frac{1/x}{-1}[/itex] as x-> 1 which is -1. The limit of [itex]x^{\frac{1}{1-x}}[/itex] is e-1 as fourierjr said.
 
That makes sense... I never even thought yo take the ln of x or use L. Hospital's rule. Thanks guys
 
You don't have to use L'Hopital

look closely to your limit

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 1} \frac{\log x}{1-x} = \lim_{x \rightarrow 1} \frac{\log x-\log 1}{1-x}[/tex]

which is the definition of the derivative of [itex]-\log x[/itex] evaluated in [itex]1[/itex] so its obvious than the limit is [itex]-1[/itex].

Much more elegant don't you think?
 
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ReyChiquito said:
You don't have to use L'Hopital

look closely to your limit

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 1} \frac{\log x}{1-x} = \lim_{x \rightarrow 1} \frac{\log x-\log 1}{1-x}[/tex]

which is the definition of the derivative of [itex]-\log x[/itex] evaluated in [itex]1[/itex] so its obvious than the limit is [itex]-1[/itex].

Much more elegant don't you think?

Not than my version :approve:
[tex]lim_{x\rightarrow 1} x^{\frac{1}{1-x}} =lim_{y\rightarrow 0} (1-y)^{\frac{1}{y}}=\frac{1}{e}[/tex]
,where i made use of a simple substituion... :-p and of a very known limit. :wink:

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Not than my version :approve:
[tex]lim_{x\rightarrow 1} x^{\frac{1}{1-x}} =lim_{y\rightarrow 0} (1-y)^{\frac{1}{y}}=\frac{1}{e}[/tex]
,where i made use of a simple substituion... :-p and of a very known limit. :wink:

Daniel.

nice and simple !
 
hey Daniel, can you remind me of how

[tex]\lim_{y\rightarrow 0} (1-y)^{\frac{1}{y}}[/tex]

is calculated? too lazy to open my book :P[/size]
 
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ReyChiquito said:
hey Daniel, can you remind me of how

[tex]\lim_{y\rightarrow 0} (1-y)^{\frac{1}{y}}[/tex]

is calculated? too lazy to open my book :P[/size]

Kay,i'll make an exception:
[tex]\lim_{y\rightarrow 0}(1-y)^{\frac{1}{y}}=\lim_{x\rightarrow +\infty}(1-\frac{1}{x})^{x} =\frac{1}{e}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
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Nice solution, dextercioby!
 

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