Surveying Update: Last 2 Points Change Plans

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges and frustrations encountered in engineering and surveying projects, particularly regarding changes in project specifications and the impact on workflow. Participants share experiences related to client demands and the implications of design decisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses dissatisfaction with the initial layout of a road project, suggesting that the design requirements were unnecessarily complicated.
  • Another participant shares a humorous dramatization of the communication challenges between engineers and clients, emphasizing the frustration of being directed to implement designs that are known to be flawed.
  • A third participant comments on the irony that clients often earn more than the engineers despite the mistakes made in project planning.
  • A later reply indicates that the change in plans (to include curb and gutter) ultimately results in less work for the original poster, despite the initial frustration of having staked out points that may now be redundant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the frustrations of working with client demands and the complexities that arise from changes in project specifications. However, there are differing views on the impact of these changes on workload and the overall experience of engineering work.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of satisfaction with the changes in project plans, highlighting the subjective nature of their experiences. The discussion does not resolve the underlying tensions between client expectations and engineering realities.

Who May Find This Useful

Professionals in engineering, surveying, and project management may find this discussion relevant, particularly those dealing with client interactions and project specification changes.

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A while back I was saying that I didn't like the way I had been asked to layout a new road being built. I thought that they were making it too difficult on themselves. I staked it out how they wanted it (they wanted it to blend into the desert in a pretty way) all 6 miles of it (3miles on each side of the road) Then today as I was laying the last 2 points, I said the LAST 2, I was informed that they think that they are going to put curb and gutter along the edges instead of their original plan, because it will be easier.
Next time I feel like I don't know what I'm doing please remind me to go with my first instincts.
 
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Heh - welcome to engineering. You are always at the mercy of what "they" want and "they" aren't always thinking clearly. It sucks, I know. At my company, we have a job right now where we are being paid extra to fix mistakes we knew we made in a system we designed. Why? Because "they" insisted the system be designed that way.

[dramatization]
They: Do it this way.
We: It won't work that way.
They: Do it anyway.
We: It won't work that way.
They: Do it anyway.
We: It won't work that way.
They: Do it anyway.
We: Ok, fine - we warned you.
[...six months later...]
They: It doesn't work.
We: We know - we told you six months ago it wouldn't.
They: No you didn't - fix it!
We: Yes we did - here it is in writing.
They: Oh...please fix it?
We: Certainly - that'll be $10,000.

So the real question is - can you profit from their tenacious stupidity?
 
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:smile: :smile:

And the worst thing is that "they" surely take home more money than you.
 
it actually works out easier for me this way, and even with what I've already done it will be less work for me than if they didn't change. I just wish I hadn't already staked so much for nothing
 

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