Applied Maxima and Minima Problems

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The discussion revolves around applied maxima and minima problems, specifically focusing on optimizing dimensions for geometric shapes under given constraints. The problems include maximizing the volume of a carton with a square base and minimizing the amount of paper used for a printed textbook page with specified margins.

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  • One participant presents a problem involving maximizing the volume of a rectangular carton with a square base, expressing uncertainty about the correct volume equation.
  • Another participant points out a potential misunderstanding regarding the units in the volume equation, suggesting that the participant clarify what the symbols represent and corrects the formulation of the surface area constraint.
  • A participant confirms their understanding of the process, indicating they plan to substitute back into the volume equation after finding the height.
  • A new problem is introduced regarding minimizing the amount of paper used for a textbook page, with a participant questioning how to incorporate margin information into the dimensions.
  • A suggestion is made to define variables for the dimensions of the paper and printed matter, and to express the area to be minimized in terms of these variables.
  • Another participant requests hints on how to derive the function for the second problem, indicating a need for further guidance.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the problems, with some seeking clarification and others providing insights. No consensus is reached on the correct formulations or approaches for the problems discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps required to derive the functions for optimization, and there are ambiguities in the definitions and relationships between variables in the problems presented.

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Hello all

I have a few questions on applied maxima and minima

1. A company gives you 675 sq. ft of cardboard to construct a rectangular carton with the largest volume. If the carton is to have a square base and an open top, what dimensions would you use?

My Thought Process:

Volume = length * width * height
= x*x* (675- 2x)

I know how to find the maximum volume, but am not sure about the actual equation. If it has a square base, then shouldn't it be x*x *( 675 - 2x)


Any help is greatly appreciated

Thanks
 
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It's always a good idea to specify WHAT your symbols represent. Is x a length? I assume that it is the length of the sides of the square bottom, in feet.
But if that is the case then "675- 2x" makes no sense. 675 square feet is total surface area of the box and 2x has units of feet. You can't subtract feet from square feet!

Your basic idea is right: If you call the lengths of the sides x and the height y, you have one side with area x2 square feet and 4 sides with area xy square feet. The total area is 675. Use that to find y.
 
thanks a lot

just to clarify, after finding y I would then just substitute this back into the volume equation and then find maximum
 
"2. A printed textbook page must contain 20 sq. in. of printed matter with a 2 inch margin on each side and at the top and with a 3 inch margin at the bottom. What dimensions must the pages have in order to minimize the amount of paper used?

I know the dimensions of the paper must be x(length) and 10 - x(width) How would I incorporate the information given about the margins?"

Why do you think this?
Let L be the horizontal length of the paper, H the height of the paper, x the length of the printed matter, y the height of printed matter.
We therefore have the equations:
2+2+x=L
3+2+y=H
xy=20

And you are to minimize the product LH
Hint, solve for y, and write LH as a function of x to be minimized.
 
thanks a lot everyone.

for # 4 and # 5 can someone give me a hint in how to get the function?

Thanks
 

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