How to Determine Maxima and Minima in Calculus Problems?

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The discussion revolves around determining maxima and minima in calculus problems, specifically through the analysis of a cubic function and its derivatives. Participants explore methods for identifying critical points and the implications of those points on the behavior of the function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a cubic function, y = -x^3 - 3x, and calculates its first derivative, y' = -3x^2 - 3, questioning the existence of maxima and minima based on the solutions to y' = 0.
  • Another participant asserts that the equation -3x^2 - 3 = 0 has no real solutions, concluding that y' is always negative, which implies that the function is always decreasing and has no maxima or minima.
  • A later post introduces a more complex equation involving a parameter k, suggesting a method for determining conditions under which the cubic function has two solutions, though the details remain unclear and complex.
  • Several participants inquire about methods to determine whether a critical point is a maximum or minimum, with one suggesting the second derivative test as a potential approach.
  • Another participant advises that further details can be found in calculus texts, indicating that the discussion may not cover all necessary information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the existence of maxima and minima for the function discussed. While one participant concludes that there are none, others propose methods for determining critical points without reaching a consensus on the outcomes.

Contextual Notes

Some mathematical steps and assumptions are not fully resolved, particularly in the more complex equation introduced. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding and engagement with the topic.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and individuals interested in calculus, particularly those seeking to understand the determination of maxima and minima in polynomial functions.

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Hi!

For example y=-x^3-3x=0 gives y'=-3x^2-3 and setting y'=0 we get i and -i as the solutions. What does this say about the existence of the max and min points for the function y?

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Hi!

-3x2-3=0 has no solutions in real numbers

So, y' is always negative (as -3 is)
Hence, y is always decreasing (no min and max)
 
ok, thanks

- Kamataat
 
-x^3-3x=k

-x^3-3x-k=0=> where b makes x only have two solutions...
x^3+3x-3x^2+k=(x^2-bx-(b/2)^2)(x+c)
x^3-bx^2-b^4/4x+x^2c-bcx-cb^4/4
k= -cb^4/4
-b+c=0
-b^4/4-b^2=-3
b^4+4b^2=12
b^4+4b^2-12=0
(b^2-h)(b^2-a)
(a+h)=-4
ah=12
 
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hi!
how determine whether that point is the maximum or the minimum?
 
crisalyn said:
hi!
how determine whether that point is the maximum or the minimum?
The second derivative test is helpful. At a critical number c for which f'(c) = 0, if f''(c) > 0, (c, f(c)) is a local minimum point; if f''(c) < 0, (c, f(c)) is a local maximum point.

There's more to this, but your calculus text should have more information about the details.

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