What makes two sounds similar?

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The discussion centers on the factors that contribute to the similarity of different sounds, particularly in the context of variations in amplitude, pitch, speed, and tone when pronouncing the word "hello." Participants explore the underlying principles of sound waves and their characteristics.

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  • One participant questions what makes various pronunciations of "hello" sound similar and seeks to identify constants in their graphical representations.
  • Another participant references Wikipedia to explain that sound propagation is influenced by density, pressure, medium motion, and viscosity, asserting that all sound is a longitudinal wave.
  • A different participant suggests that the shape of the sound wave remains constant across variations, though it may differ in amplitude and frequency.
  • One contributor emphasizes the importance of using scientifically accepted terminology, distinguishing between amplitude and pitch, and introduces the concept of "acoustic signature" and "acoustic fingerprint" as relevant to sound similarity.
  • Another participant identifies tone as a critical factor in sound similarity, noting that variations in tone can lead to different sounds even with consistent pitch and amplitude.
  • A participant mentions the Liberman-Mattingly motor theory of speech perception as a framework for understanding why we perceive the same word despite variations in sound production.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on whether the number of peaks and valleys in the sound wave contributes to their similarity.

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Participants express a range of views on the factors contributing to sound similarity, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. Multiple competing perspectives on the role of tone, amplitude, and wave shape are present.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the definitions of terms like amplitude and pitch, and the implications of sound wave characteristics remain unresolved.

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Individuals interested in acoustics, speech perception, sound wave properties, and the scientific terminology related to sound may find this discussion relevant.

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what makes two sounds similar?

Hello,
i have been wondering this for a long time...

for example:
if we say the word "hello" with a loud pitch scientifically speaking higher amplitude
versus
if we say the word "hello" with a low amplitude
versus
if we say "hello" really fast
versus
if we say "hello" very slow
versus
if we say "hello" normally

the question:
what make all the above sounds similar?? as in if we graph the above sounds what would remain constant in all the graph??


thank you
 
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Wikipedia has this to say:

Propagation of sound

The behavior of sound propagation is generally affected by three things:
A relationship between density and pressure. This relationship, affected by temperature, determines the speed of sound within the medium.
The propagation is also affected by the motion of the medium itself. For example, sound moving through wind. Independent of the motion of sound through the medium, if the medium is moving, the sound is further transported.
The viscosity of the medium also affects the motion of sound waves. It determines the rate at which sound is attenuated. For many media, such as air or water, attenuation due to viscosity is negligible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_wave#Longitudinal_and_transverse_waves


But the thing that REALLY makes them similar is that all sound is a longitudinal wave...
the above referenced articles discusses this...Light, in contrast, is transverse.
 
hello anj16! :smile:
anj16 said:
… if we graph the above sounds what would remain constant in all the graph??

the shape

it'll always be the same, except it may be higher or lower on the page, or stretched or squeezed horizontally and/or vertically :wink:
 


anj16, Welcome to Physics Forums! It is important that we all use terms accepted by science to describe experiments. Otherwise, folks will be confused as to our meaning and miss the point. For example, the term "amplitude" is quite different from the term "pitch".
As for your question in the OP, there are similiarities in those examples you gave. They are described by "acoustic signature". Just Google that and see the Wikipedia page plus references. In classifying and identifying particular ships and submarines and also in identifying specific species of birds and frogs we use an "acoustic fingerprint". Google that, too.
 


pitch (frequency)
amplitude (loudness)
tone/envelope (shape)
harmonics (multiple sounds)

For all your sounds, the first two can vary, but it is the third - the tone - that makes them all sound similar.

Alternately, you could keep the pitch and amplitude the same and change the tone, to get sounds that are very different.

Say the word 'woah' very slow, 'w' then 'o' then 'ah'. The major difference between the three is the tone of the sound.

Tone is the shape of each individual peak/valley. There are sine waves, sawtooth, square waves etc. The wider the shape (within the cycle), the more round the tone (like 'o'). The thinner the shape, the thinner the sound (like 'w').

See here. There's a little audio clip on the right.

There are other factors, such as harmonics, that play into the 'sound' of sound.
 


If you wonder what makes them all be understood the same way - that is, why we hear "hello" each time, and not some other random word - check Liberman-Mattingly motor theory of speech perception (and related theories).
 


Thank you all for helping me out

just to clarify DaveC426913 would i be consistent with your explanation if i say that the number of peak and valleys remain constant making the sounds sound similar?
 

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