GR & Higgs Field: Linked by Mass?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between the Higgs field and general relativity (GR), particularly focusing on whether the Higgs field is responsible for the effects of gravity and how it might be linked to spacetime. Participants examine the implications of this relationship and the nature of mass and energy in the context of GR.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the Higgs field gives particles their mass, it may also be responsible for the effects of gravity in GR.
  • Others argue that energy does not affect spacetime in the same way mass does, highlighting a distinction between mass and energy.
  • One participant suggests that without the Higgs field, gravity would not exist, linking this to inflation theory.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that momentum-energy, rather than mass alone, is what curves spacetime, questioning the role of the Higgs field in this context.
  • There is a discussion about how the Higgs field couples to mass, with some participants noting that mass is created through interaction with the Higgs field.
  • One participant humorously questions whether photons curve spacetime, suggesting that this is a well-known concept in physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the Higgs field and gravity, with no consensus reached on whether the Higgs field is fundamentally responsible for gravitational effects or how it interacts with spacetime.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the relationship between mass, energy, and spacetime curvature, indicating that the discussion involves unresolved assumptions and definitions regarding these concepts.

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If the higgs field is responsible for giving particles their mass, isn't it then the higgs field that is responsible for the effects of GR?
Is this assesment true and, if so, does it have any implecations? Could the higgs field (which has been described as an ether) and spacetime be in some way linked more deeply?
 
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No-one brave enough to take this on? ok

Well, I'll expand on it for the hell of it.

-Energy doesn't effect spacetime in the same way mass does. (its the defining difference between the two)
-Mass is only produced by the higgs field
-without the higgs field, there would be no gravity. (inflation theory relies on this)

Isn't it reasonable to assume that gravity is then caused by the higgs field and not directly by the particle.

But this assumption brings up other problems. The higgs field is supposed to be like an ether, it exists everywhere it the universe. It's topology would be exactly the same as the curvator of space-time, since the two are exactly proportional. This points to a deeper connection.
 
It is momentum-energy that curves spacetime, and not mass alone. Since the Higgs field couples only to mass (to wit, it couples to the rest mass at the appropiate energy scale), it cannot account for (eg) the curvature of spacetime caused by a traveling photon.
 
zefram_c said:
Since the Higgs field couples only to mass (to wit, it couples to the rest mass at the appropiate energy scale)
How can it couple to mass when mass is 'created' by interaction to the higgs field.

zefram_c said:
it cannot account for (eg) the curvature of spacetime caused by a traveling photon.

Cool, so photons curves spacetime now?...
*uses magnifing glass to create black hole*
 
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|2eason said:
How can it couple to mass when mass is 'created' by interaction to the higgs field.
By that I mean the Higgs field couples to particles with an effective strength proportional to their observed masses.
Cool, so photons curves spacetime now?...
*uses magnifing glass to create black hole*
Photons always curved spacetime :biggrin: if you look at the Einstein equation you can see there's a lot more going on than just mass curving spacetime.
 
|2eason said:
Cool, so photons curves spacetime now?...
*uses magnifing glass to create black hole*

This has been very well known for a very long time.
 

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